Quote Originally Posted by yokinazu
if the story is propaganda i beg forgivness. i do not wish to spread propaganda for anyone left or right. i think alex and george are both wacked and are working for there own agendas. i did however hink that the AP was an upstanding news orginazation and that i could get a storie from them that was not completly biased.

but....
when we first went to iraq i remember it was to defeat the terrorist orginization al-queda, when there where no ties to al-queda found the mission was the changed to weopons of mass destrution, when them weopons were found to be non-existant we were there to free the iraqi people. and now there seems to me no way out. that is the thing that really sticks in my craw. is that we dont have an exit strategy. i may be a liberal but i also understand that the worst thing we could o is just up and leave. that ould have horrible repercutions for us and the rest of the world.
I don't think it was propagnda. And the AP is a reputable news organization.

Bush's statements in the lead up to the war were lies because he knew more of the truth and told us different. It's not right to say these were not lies because all the other governments believed the same thing at the time. The Bush administration was the source of the information that most of those other governments believed. It was the source of the information that the Senate and Congress believed and that the US citizens believed. It's fairly clear that US intelligence sevices knew most of these things Bush said were not absolutely conclusive and that there was often conflicting or contrary information available, but it was presented by the president as conclusive.

One thing about this is that the only reason the truth is eventually coming out and people care about the lies is that the war is such a disaster. If we had won the war and then also not bungled the post-war, no one would care about the lies. It's somewhat sad but true. If Iraq were stable, no one would have cared about the lack of WMD and ties to Al Qaeda. We would have just been glad Saddam was gone and moved on. I think that's what Bush and the neo-cons were counting on, but they fucked it up so bad, now people want to know whey we are in such a disaster.