I have read the last two LED reports. They reported a smaller yield (due to a smaller amount of lumens being output by the light) and higher resin counts. The pics of the bud was pretty damn sticky looking. They used the LED UFO. Basically they aren't even using what they should be and they still got good results. No one is arguing that the money isn't there yet but, and I can't speak for anyone else, I for one am arguing that you can get better results given you match the same amount of lumens as an HID.