yea it looks pretty crappy in those pics but now the first set of 7 fingered leaves are growing.the stem is pretty thick now. its growing out of a small cup with HOLES FOR THE ROOTS..The medium is some rocks an some of the crap on the bottom of tank(really to get it started).there is a hose that makes bubbles for the roots.the dirty water from the tutrle and fish seem to be supstaining its nutritional needs for now at least. right now its under a 100 watt cfl. we switched it to 12/12 after the second set of 5 fingers in order to keep it relativaly short in lenghth. we will lsting also soon. also we will be adding an additional 150 watt cfl. not really trying to get much of a harvest ....we built the whole set up in 20 minutes anyway.will post new pics probly today!