Quote Originally Posted by Fencewalker
Info on signing the petition and where to turn in signatures.

I don't really understand all the confusion on where to sign...It was included in the first post.

That must have been some good shit you are on tonight!
The link you posted is referencing an already failed attempt by the "pot gurus" here in California. They failed to collect the required number of signatures, nice to see that site still up though. I betcha my last bowl that if you tried to "DONATE" money thinking you were helping with this effort they would still take it though! What was most recently being discussed is the proposed Constitutional Amendment



1341. (08-0009)
Marijuana Legalization. Individual Rights. Constitutional Amendment.
Summary Date: 04/08/08 Circulation Deadline: 09/05/08 Signatures Required: 694,354
[align=left]Proponent: Christopher Springer[/align]

Amends constitution to legalize marijuana and hemp within California and to provide for broad individual constitutional rights, including rights to food, shelter, medical care, and to be free from ā??unreasonableā? taxation. Allows marijuana to be sold in any store that sells alcohol. Establishes local boards with expansive powers, including powers to regulate and tax marijuana. Requires marijuana tax revenues support specified programs. Exempts marijuana sales profits from income tax. Forbids most testing for marijuana used outside the workplace. Prohibits most marijuana, alcohol, and tobacco advertisements. Immunizes marijuana growers and sellers from liability. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: Potential savings of up to several tens of millions of dollars annually to state and local governments, which would no longer incur the costs of incarcerating and supervising certain marijuana offenders. Potential costs of up to the tens of millions of dollars to state and local governments to fund the one-time start-up costs of the local boards. A potentially significant increase in state and local spending on substance abuse treatment services that could possibly be partially or fully offset by revenues from this measure. Potential increased revenues in the tens of millions to low hundreds of millions of dollars annually from marijuana stamps and licenses to support specified programs and the local boards. Unknown but potentially significant increase in state and local revenues from collection of sales and use taxes on the sale of Marijuana. Unknown but potentially significant decrease in state and local revenues from taxes on tobacco and alcohol due to a prohibition of advertising for these goods that would likely result in a decline in sales. (Initiative 08-0009.) (Full Text)
For which apparently there is no fucking way to do anything with and is likely a prank I guess, who fucking knows. I know this, no one "The so called Cannabis Crusaders" that all endorsed and put their names on the piece you mentioned don't even acknowledge this proposed amendment. Why? Must be busy fucking around being "Pot Crusaders" jeesuz fuck. How do you NOT get the required number of siggies. And then you just don't mention or seem to promote or discuss anywhere the previously mentioned proposed amendment? Really Fuck you too then. And I don't want to hear the bull shit that people didn't get involved or informed. That's horse caca. I don't know for a fact, but between all the different groups that raised and apparently are still raising money for an expired initiative that is not even in circulation. I am betting they had better funding than the guy that got the required number of siggies for what. Joe Ramsey
Treatment of Farm Animals. Statute.
I fucking dare someone to come on this board and tell me they were better funded, had more publicity, more public intrest.
I think I know the answer to my question, "Explain to me how this failed" but I want to see if anyone else has a better idea or knows something that I don't. Seems to me these "Cannabis Crusaders" "Jack Herer, Charles E. Lepp, George Clayton Johnson, Phyllis Vonderscher, Ronnie Lee Smith, Michael S. Jolson and Seeva Marie Cherms" all really don't give a shit unless you are donating money to them as evident by the sight Fencewalker mentioned. Hope they raised lots of dough, I can't imagine that they had less publicity, support, resources, volunteers, ect... than Joe Ramsey whom was the sole proponent of...wait for it, you know the widely popular...

Treatment of Farm Animals. Statute.

Some initiatives that did get enough siggies are:



Propositions that are on the
November 4, 2008 General Election Ballot*

Bond Measure


Proposition 1
SB 1856 (Chapter 697, 2002). Costa.

Proposition 2
1274. Treatment of Farm Animals. Statute.
Proponent: Joe Ramsey (916) 967-8102
Requires that an enclosure or tether confining specified farm animals allow the animals for the majority of every day to fully extend their limbs or wings, lie down, stand up, and turn around. Specified animals include calves raised for veal, egg-laying hens, and pregnant pigs. Exceptions made for transportation, rodeos, fairs, 4-H programs, lawful slaughter, research and veterinary purposes. Provides misdemeanor penalties, including a fine not to exceed $1,000 and/or imprisonment in jail for up to 180 days. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: Probably minor local and state enforcement and prosecution costs, partly offset by increased fine revenue. (Initiative 07-0041.) (Full Text)

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Initiative Statute


Proposition 3
1271. Childrenā??s Hospital Bond Act. Grant Program. Statute. [align=left]Proponent: Diana S. Dooley (916) 552-7111[/align]

Initiative Constitutional Amendment


Proposition 4
1287. Waiting Period and Parental Notification Before Termination of Minorā??s Pregnancy.
Constitutional Amendment. [align=left]Proponent: John Smith[/align]

Initiative Statute
Proposition 5

1310. Nonviolent Offenders. Sentencing, Parole and Rehabilitation. Statute. [align=left]Proponent: Daniel N. Abrahamson (510) 229-5211[/align]

(Initiative 07-0081.) (Full Text)
Initiative Statute
Proposition 6

1326. Criminal Penalties and Laws. Public Safety Funding. Statute. [align=left]Proponents: George C. Runner, Jr., Gary Ovitt and Mike Reynolds[/align]

Initiative Statute
Proposition 7

1304. Renewable Energy. Statute. [align=left]Proponent: Jim Gonzalez c/o Randall W. Keen (310) 312-4000[/align]

Initiative Constitutional Amendment
Proposition 8

1298. Limit on Marriage. Constitutional Amendment. [align=left]Proponents: Dennis Hollingsworth, Gail J. Knight, Martin F. Gutierrez, Hak-Shing William Tam, and Mark A. Jansson c/o Andrew Pugno (916) 608-3065[/align]

Amends the California Constitution to provide that only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: The measure would have no fiscal effect on state or local governments. This is because there would be no change to the manner in which marriages are currently recognized by the state. (Initiative 07-0068.) (Full Text)
Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute
Proposition 9

1325. Criminal Justice System. Victimsā?? Rights. Parole. Constitutional Amendment and Statute. [align=left]Proponents: Henry Nicholas, Marcella Leach and LaWanda Hawkins c/o Ashlee N. Titus (916) 442-7757[/align]

Initiative Statute
Proposition 10

1332. Bonds. Alternative Fuel Vehicles and Renewable Energy. Statute. [align=left]Proponents: Allison Hart, Mitzi Dudley and Thomas Daly c/o Daniel K. Abramson (213) 624-6200[/align]

(Initiative 07-0101.) (Full Text)
Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute
Proposition 11

1307. Redistricting. Constitutional Amendment and Statute. [align=left]Proponents: Kathay Feng, Jeannine English and David Fleming[/align]

*Titles Subject to Change.


So in closing again, if ANYONE KNOWS how to contact Chris Springer the sole proponent of our only CURRENTLY ACTIVE hope, please post it. I won't hold my breath though, but that other one person that is even aware of it might care.:thumbsup: