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[8182KSKUSH]

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8182KSKUSH Reviewed by 8182KSKUSH on 04-29-2008. legalization in California! 3 threads merged! Get active! Help by collecting signatures: youthfederation.com // legalize hemp for the environment, the economy Digg - Help Legalize Hemp Cannabis Marijuana in California 2008 Rating: 5

[8182KSKUSH]

I am confused here. The sec of states site is updated as of 4/28, and it sounds like they got enough signatures. It sounds like they are now going to be collecting the additional needed 09/05/08.
So what is going on?
Niether of the initatives are marked as failed? They still look active per the government site? So what is the deal I am sure someone can explain it for me? Check out the site.
California Secretary of State - Elections & Voter Information - Initiative Update

Just scroll through it, there are 2, it looks like another seperate one with regard to amnesty for state convicted marijuana offenders? Maybe I am just fucking stupid I guess?:smokin::smokin:

[8182KSKUSH]

Ok, someone educate me I am ignorant.
I know that the "activist" groups have declared that there were not enough signatures for the initiative to legalize.
However the sec of states site, as of May 2, has not even finished counting them?


Initiatives Pending Raw Count of Signatures


[align=left]1296. (07-0064)
Marijuana. Repeal of Criminal and Civil Penalties. Release from Jail. Statute.
Summary Date: 11/26/07 Circulation Deadline: 04/24/08 Signatures Required: 433,971

Proponents: Jack Herer, Charles E. Lepp, George Clayton Johnson, Phyllis Vonderscher, Ronnie Lee Smith, Michael S. Jolson and Seeva Marie Cherms
Decriminalizes possession, cultivation, transportation, distribution, and use of marijuana or hemp. Provides persons convicted or serving time for non-violent offenses involving marijuana be immediately released from prison, jail, parole, or probation, and be eligible to have their convictions erased. Provides no permit, license, or tax be required for non-commercial cultivation, transportation, distribution, or consumption of marijuana. Allows doctors to prescribe or recommend marijuana to patients, regardless of age. Prohibits testing for marijuana for employment or insurance purposes. Bars state from aiding enforcement of certain federal marijuana laws. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: Savings in the several tens of millions of dollars annually to state and local governments, which would no longer incur the costs of incarcerating and supervising certain marijuana offenders. A potential increase of a few million dollars annually in the cost of the stateâ??s Drug Medi-Cal substance abuse treatment program. (Initiative 07-0064.)[/align]

Where is the disconnect, and what is going on.
Also, there is another initiative that has recieved even less attention than the other one. It is apparently still in circulation,

Marijuana Legalization. Individual Rights. Constitutional Amendment.

Summary Date: 04/08/08 Circulation Deadline: 09/05/08 Signatures Required: 694,354

[align=left]Proponent: Christopher Springer[/align]

Amends constitution to legalize marijuana and hemp within California and to provide for broad individual constitutional rights, including rights to food, shelter, medical care, and to be free from â??unreasonableâ?� taxation. Allows marijuana to be sold in any store that sells alcohol. Establishes local boards with expansive powers, including powers to regulate and tax marijuana. Requires marijuana tax revenues support specified programs. Exempts marijuana sales profits from income tax. Forbids most testing for marijuana used outside the workplace. Prohibits most marijuana, alcohol, and tobacco advertisements. Immunizes marijuana growers and sellers from liability. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: Potential savings of up to several tens of millions of dollars annually to state and local governments, which would no longer incur the costs of incarcerating and supervising certain marijuana offenders. Potential costs of up to the tens of millions of dollars to state and local governments to fund the one-time start-up costs of the local boards. A potentially significant increase in state and local spending on substance abuse treatment services that could possibly be partially or fully offset by revenues from this measure. Potential increased revenues in the tens of millions to low hundreds of millions of dollars annually from marijuana stamps and licenses to support specified programs and the local boards. Unknown but potentially significant increase in state and local revenues from collection of sales and use taxes on the sale of Marijuana. Unknown but potentially significant decrease in state and local revenues from taxes on tobacco and alcohol due to a prohibition of advertising for these goods that would likely result in a decline in sales. (Initiative 08-0009.)

Are the "so-called" "leaders" of the current political efforts to make cannabis reform happen in California talking anywhere about this? What is going on? :wtf:

How much $$ did they raise for this? What did they do with it? Why is there nothing about the 2nd one that I mentioned?

[8182KSKUSH]

As of May 12th, there are updates to proposed ballot initiatives.

1296. (07-0064) Marijuana. Repeal of Criminal and Civil Penalties. Release From Jail. Statute. FAILED to Qualify.

Initiatives and Referenda in Circulation
as of May 12, 2008 1341. (08-0009)

Marijuana Legalization. Individual Rights. Constitutional Amendment.
Summary Date: 04/08/08 Circulation Deadline: 09/05/08 Signatures Required: 694,354

[align=left]Proponent: Christopher Springer
Amends constitution to legalize marijuana and hemp within California and to provide for broad individual constitutional rights, including rights to food, shelter, medical care, and to be free from â??unreasonableâ?� taxation. Allows marijuana to be sold in any store that sells alcohol. Establishes local boards with expansive powers, including powers to regulate and tax marijuana. Requires marijuana tax revenues support specified programs. Exempts marijuana sales profits from income tax. Forbids most testing for marijuana used outside the workplace. Prohibits most marijuana, alcohol, and tobacco advertisements. Immunizes marijuana growers and sellers from liability. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: Potential savings of up to several tens of millions of dollars annually to state and local governments, which would no longer incur the costs of incarcerating and supervising certain marijuana offenders. Potential costs of up to the tens of millions of dollars to state and local governments to fund the one-time start-up costs of the local boards. A potentially significant increase in state and local spending on substance abuse treatment services that could possibly be partially or fully offset by revenues from this measure. Potential increased revenues in the tens of millions to low hundreds of millions of dollars annually from marijuana stamps and licenses to support specified programs and the local boards. Unknown but potentially significant increase in state and local revenues from collection of sales and use taxes on the sale of Marijuana. Unknown but potentially significant decrease in state and local revenues from taxes on tobacco and alcohol due to a prohibition of advertising for these goods that would likely result in a decline in sales. (Initiative 08-0009.) (Full Text)

So there you have it. It looks like there is still some "activity", but who knows what will come of it. I am dissapointed to say the least with the other initiative that did nothing and went no where. Even with the backing of "psuedo celebs in the cannabis world (Jack Herer, Charles E. Lepp, George Clayton Johnson, Phyllis Vonderscher, Ronnie Lee Smith, Michael S. Jolson and Seeva Marie Cherms)". These are the people that are "the leaders of the movement" but they failed miserably. WTF is going on, WTF happened. They had to have known pretty damn early on that was going to be the result. That tells me they must have had some kind of idea at what was happening the whole time they were trying to "raise money". This other initiative just has one persons name on it. It's still alive for now, so we'll see what happens I guess. Why wouldn't any of those people that endorsed the other initiative, be endorsing the one that is still alive? Bull shit politics and I am ye of little faith for the people that are proclaiming that they are the leaders of the "movement". Just my stupid opinion though.
I wonder how much money was raised for that bill? I distinctly get the impression that the current "movement" is really all about donations donations donations. It seems like their is a nice business within cannabis activism, and it's ironic that if it were legal, many of the "activists" that are collecting money to pursue "great political progress" would lose some income. This is a rant but really, what was the effort? Nill. So WTF happened. I just want some answers. Hard to believe that no one is even intrested. I am frustrated and apologize to those whome this post may have offended. This was just an innocent little rant. [/align]

[boaz]

Fuck!

i second that. Kush, you should be commended for all your work trying to weed this all out ( . . . sorry). wish i knew more but i'm in bumfuck oklahoma so i don't have a clue other that whats on their website. :stoned: best of luck out there.

[8182KSKUSH]

It's just frustrating, I was at a clinic today, spoke to a handful of people, (patients and employees) only 1 of them was even aware that something was going on, and none of them knew the first one was dead, none of them knew about the second one. Something stinks to me.

I feel bad for you out there. I lived in Miami for a couple years. I know what you are likely dealing with. Hopefully you have access to some better stuff than the mexican weed. But if not it does do the trick I guess, worked for me for 11 years anyway. It's neat that you have an intrest in the ongoings politically out here, too bad more people out here weren't as intrested as you!

[8182KSKUSH]

i second that. Kush, you should be commended for all your work trying to weed this all out ( . . . sorry). wish i knew more but i'm in bumfuck oklahoma so i don't have a clue other that whats on their website. :stoned: best of luck out there.

I am just a bumfuck from Kansas, just happen to live out here now. Believe me, first hand exp. People out here are far from being more advanced, smarter, or enlightened in any way. I actually think people out here are kind of slow and backwards, in the way they prioritze things and think anyway.

[boaz]

^ :jointsmile: i bet it didn't take you long at all to realize that, either. :rastasmoke: i love californians, i was actually born out there on the left coast myself and lived in So. Cal. for years during my college daze, so i can talk about them. but i grew up in So. Mo. not far from Kansas and Miami. we used to cross the border about every weekend when I was in high school back when Kansas had 18 and over clubs that served beer. :thumbsup:

I am also a card carrying med user, although, sadly, the card is just a novelty here. we have med use laws but only if you have cancer, i believe. its a start, but its no prop 215. until then, yes, its grow your own, get some help from a friend, or thank god for our amigos and amigas down south for the brick weed. mucho's gracias! imp:

[boaz]

^ btw . . . that smoking baby pic has me rolling on the floor everytime i see it. :jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

Nothing new here. The site has not been updated since my last posting. I will follow this last one through to the end though and post what happens. :jointsmile: