US National Service Act of 2007

[fishman3811]

Its bloody amazing you guys dont have any say in your country anymore.From what i gather most Americans want illegals out yesterday not tommorrow.but your politicians dont listen to you the people.Fucking amazing......

[The Gnome]

I'm pretty sure most illegals from Mexico jump the border cause there ain't much food down there. . .

Could you explain how an illegal immigrant qualifies for food stamps if they have to hide from the eye of the government? I'm serious, I didn't know that, I don't understand why they don't get busted if they apply for a government service.

[dragonrider]

I'm pretty sure most illegals from Mexico jump the border cause there ain't much food down there. . .

Could you explain how an illegal immigrant qualifies for food stamps if they have to hide from the eye of the government? I'm serious, I didn't know that, I don't understand why they don't get busted if they apply for a government service.

I actually think the article by the "California school teacher" is mostly a buttload of crap.

You're right, they don't qualify for food stamps. Without a social security number, they don't collect SSI. The don't get the Earned Income Tax Credit. The don't get Section 8 housing and subsidized rent. Car insurance is one thing, but who cares if they don't get life insurance or homeowners insurance --- plenty of Americans opt out of these kinds of insurance too.

The article makes some real points about the hidden costs of "cheap labor," but it blows its credibility by mixing in all the lies. Usually when you see a line like, "If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know," you know it's some load of propaganda garbage, and you need to take a critical at it.

I'm certainly not for illegal immigration, and I think we need to control our borders. But you can make a good case against illegal immigration without lying about it.

How did this thread get so far of track and end up being about illegal imigrants anyway? Wasn't it about the National Service Act?

[epxroot]

From a California school teacher - - -

"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:

I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and income levels.

Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens , Huntington Park , etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing
funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America . (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas" whores and throwing things that the teachers were in tears.

Free medical, free education, free food, day care, etc., etc, etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?

To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won't have the guts to enforce it. Does anyone in their right mind really think they will voluntarily leave and return?

It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about "political correctness" that we don't have the will to do anything about it.

If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know.

CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.

Consumers don't want expensive produce.

Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.

But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.

He qualifies for food stamps.

He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.

His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.

He requires bilingual teachers and books.

He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.

If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare. All of this is at (our) taxpayer's expense.

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.

Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.

He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.

Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his.

The American taxpayers also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.

Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people!

We need to stop the welfare state. The longer we keep this welfare state the more problems we will have. The reason they come here and stay is because of the free system they can abuse. If we stop this horrible welfare state I know for a fact that our illegal immigrants would not be the scapegoat any longer.

[Fencewalker]

The don't get the Earned Income Tax Credit.

They aren't supposed to, but it seems they are:

Illegals get undeserved tax benefits. The 1999 report appears to include extensive commentary on the ITIN applications of 340,000 illegal aliens, but most of it was redacted. The IRSâ??s objective may be to collect tax revenue from the broadest base possible â?? a laudable goal. Ironically, however, this has resulted in the IRS ignoring illegalsâ?? presence in the United States. One of the reasons why illegals are issued ITINs is that IRS regulations determine resident alien status based on "substantial presence" in the United States, not legal residence. Thus, illegal aliens who file tax returns are treated in the same way as legal foreign residents and receive the same tax benefits, such as spousal exemptions, child and education tax credits. The one exception seems to be the Earned Income Tax Credit, which is available to legal permanent residents but which the IRS decided would not be available to illegal aliens.

Intended or not, it is clear that a significant number of illegal aliens are receiving the Earned Income Tax Credit. This is talked about quite openly by their advocates. Moreover, in its publications the IRS is signaling that this is a problem. One of three bullet points at the top of Form W-7 used to apply for an ITIN reads: "Receipt of an ITIN does not make you eligible to claim the earned income credit (EIC)."5

Further, a section describing the Earned Income Tax Credit on the IRS web site lists six rules that must be followed. "Rule 1. You Must Have a Valid Social Security Number (SSN). . .You cannot get the EIC if, instead of an SSN, you (or your spouse if filing a joint return) have an individual taxpayer identification number (ITIN). ITINs are issued by the Internal Revenue Service to noncitizens who cannot get an SSN."6

It is an unfortunate fact of life that U.S. citizens routinely claim tax deductions and credits to which they are not entitled. It is a cat and mouse game that presumably the IRS wins more often than not. However, there was language in the Inspector Generalâ??s 1999 report implying that both "revenue protection issues" and "operational problems during the implementation" period resulted in the ITIN being vulnerable to fraud. It is possible that the IRS system was programmed in a way that makes it very difficult to prevent payment of the Earned Income Credit if a resident alien unauthorized to work in the United States claims it.

Center for Immigration Studies

[dragonrider]

They aren't supposed to, but it seems they are:

I guess there's no accounting for the IRS breaking it's own rules. Looks like they've had 8 years to fix it since the report, so hopefully they've done so by now.

[Zcomp]

Thank you fishman for your well wishes.
And thank you misissippisteve, I will heed that advice about "labor". As far as stopping underbidding.... I'll have to do that gradually. I live truly paycheck to paycheck.
I would be sunk if a month went by with no work. And stopping to take some classes just won't work. But I will read up as much as possible into business management. I've probably taken the wrong path once or twice.
I'll keep my head up. :jointsmile:

[Mississippi Steve]

Thank you fishman for your well wishes.
And thank you misissippisteve, I will heed that advice about "labor". As far as stopping underbidding.... I'll have to do that gradually. I live truly paycheck to paycheck.
I would be sunk if a month went by with no work. And stopping to take some classes just won't work. But I will read up as much as possible into business management. I've probably taken the wrong path once or twice.
I'll keep my head up. :jointsmile:

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