I also started a 12/12 grow and put my seedlings in with my females (just starting to change pistil colors) within a month the Super ATF seedlings are probably 1 1/2 times the size of my females which started off as clones and overcame alot of heat stress. i put the females into flowering after only two weeks of 18/6 veg and they still hadn't grown at all. leave it to a first full grow. the guy i bought the 400w hps from said they run cool which ended up being a whole 130 degrees cool. and the whole veg for 2 weeks and 5 weeks of flowering (2 sheba sativas, 6 weeks of flowering for the 70% indica space queens).. 2 weeks vegging a clone...total? i wouldn't recommend it. now i'm stuck with 4 8-9 inch tall females that'll probably only have about 15-20 grams of bud tops and it cost me more than $150 ($45 for the clones and more than $110 for running the lights/fans). i really want to throw the little ATF's (alaskan thunderf*%#) back into veg for a while because they haven't been sexed yet i'm wondering if i could do that without risking hermies. all in all though, if i turn out with at least 4 females they should produce alot more than the females i got in there now. the really weird thing is that it was $320 for an oz of the Super ATF (sativa) in which i found 12 seeds. the leaves on these guys are 3 times the width of my 70% indicas which makes me wonder if the buds got pollinated by an indica. has anyone ever heard of a broad-leafed sativa?