Saggy Leaves

[Weedhound]

Took one gallon water.....and added things one by one

Start ...20ppm
7.6ml pb......570 (this number sounds ok to me!)
3.8 ml CalMag ..780 (i think this is what you are low on....but may be both)

SO....everything else out of the equation.....780 of nutes AINT enough for your rapidly growing kids.....that's my thought.

Then added LK......7.6 ml.....(i didn't think this number sounded too high until I actually put it in the mix) and the number jumped to 1030.

Added 6.5ml Sweet and the number came to 1120. Sound about right?

[dejayou30]

My pH is pretty stable, around 5.6ish in the morning and then around 6 by the time lights go out. I've been double checking every read with a liquid kit too so it should be fairly accurate.

My PPM never got that high, it was sitting around 980 somehow.

[Weedhound]

Ok....spoke to my hydro guy. First he had several questions....one, did it happen to get very cold in there at some point? Or did your fan fail/ventilation system fail at all in some way? If you are using a spray (aero) make sure all your sprayers are working properly. If your watering system is on a timer, did the timer fail and the plant get overwatered? Check roots for root rot. Check your timers and make sure they are all working correctly.

If all those are a negative...he said you'll simply have to try things step by step and see what works since different conditions can appear quite similar.

The first step he suggested was to up your CalMag. Told me to have you take up 200 ppms .....(say to 400?) and see if any changes. If that didn't work I'm to call him back.

Deja understand that these are your plants. (i know you know that) You are there with them and you are the one who's going to be stuck with dead plants if you follow my info and it is wrong. If your gut is telling you something else you should strongly consider that....again....your plants.....you must make the decision.

[dejayou30]

Well piss, in the days the boards were down, I got a 30 gallon bin that I filled with about 25 gallons and I also got my Tri Meter and its been reading the pH at 5.7-6.2 and PPM from 1200-1250 - the PPMs have actually gone up! The temperature has beeh around 62-65. I've now got two near dead plants and one that is starting to do the same thing as the other two. The only thing they have in common is that they are in the corners of the bins; 4/8 corners are showing yellowing and saggy leaf problems. My old mother plant is one of those but I contribute most of her yellow leaves to the fact that they aren't providing for anything, ie. they are attached to the branch where I took a cutting, so I don't worry about her too much. Could the fact that they are in the corners be part of the problem? I don't know how it would be different from the others but the sick ones are all in the corners, and I think its the same positions getting sick as last time, but I only had 6 then and 4/6 were in corners and didn't survive last time. Could it possibly be the table design causing the plants to die? Its the only conclusion I can think of.

[Weedhound]

Unless your sprayers are getting clogged I'd say no....I think the problem is in your ratios.....too much of one thing and not enough of another. Understand....I'm guessing. But no...I don't think its a design thing. I think its a nute thing.

Like my guy said you'll have to go step by step until you discover it. Here is what I would do if it were me.....but again...GUESSING.....so if you have other thoughts.....go for them!

RO water...

CalMAg.. 400
Probloom 400

and that's all.........get rid of EVERYTHING they do not need. I still think they have too much of stuff they don't need and not enough of stuff they do need.

Good luck deja with whatever you decide to do. I'll check back.

[Weedhound]

Can you post a pic of your setup?

[dejayou30]

Well I don't have sprayers - I am using Ebb and Flow - so its not that. The corner thing was just the last thing I could think of because I would think if it was a nute thing, there would be more plants with problems, but the other 7 are looking awesome (except for the yellowing on the mother); I really have no idea. I am going to cut the two really dead ones down and just save them for my hash pile because I am pretty sure they are gone. As far as the nutes, when I got the bigger res I only added 50 mL of LK, Sweet, and Hygrozyme, so the bulk of the 1200 PPM was the base nutes, and the plants still haven't turned around. I think they are a lost cause, but I will keep trying to see if I can save the third one that is sick, but if not, I have 6 (the mother is so-so) really nice looking healthy plants that are really starting to pack on those crystals and bud mass, so since its only my second grow and therefore still quite a learning process, I won't lose any sleep over two or possibly three dead ones. I appreciate all your help as always, not to mention the fact that you personally called someone and asked them about the problems I was having. That is pretty outstanding and you have no idea how much I appreciate it! I'll keep you posted with what happens.

[dejayou30]

Well, I'm at day 37 and my plants are looking alright. It is weird but I really do think that being in the corners of my bins has something to do with why some of them are getting sick. All the plants in the corners are showing an array of deficiencies while the two sitting in the middle holes are looking great. Some of them look like they have nitrogen deficiency but there are two others that looks like they have nitrogen toxicity; is that even possible? The leaves on the two are a very dark green and the tips are burnt a little bit, but the stems haven't gotten soft or anything yet so I think its in the early stages.

So far, 2 plants in the corners have died, 2 are looking pretty bad, two are looking so-so, and two are looking really good. I just don't know what else it could be. For the past week I was running mainly bloom nutes but still using all the supplements and the bad plants' problems seem to have slowed down but not stopped completely, so I changed my res last night to just straight bloom nutes to see what would happen. Hopefully the two really sick looking ones can hold on for 3 more weeks.

[Weedhound]

That is just SO bizarre....so many differences in your plants when they're all in the same set up.....don't know what to say. Can you post a photo of the whole thing at once?

[dejayou30]

The lights come on in 3 hours, so I'll get some pics then.