Saggy Leaves

[dejayou30]

The curly part is from the problem I had before this from the toxic salt buildup, but I got it to 1000 now so hopefully they will be looking better tomorrow. Thanks again!

[dejayou30]

Well uhhhhh changing the res didn't work. The one plant is now completely droopy from top to bottom and the second one looks like the other one did yesterday. What should my next move be; flush?

[Weedhound]

Deja, what are your numbers....ppms....where did you start and what did you get this morning?

[Weedhound]

You wrote down what you are using but I go by ppms....

50ml Cal Mag
100 ml Pro Bloom
100 ml LK
75 ml Sweet

altogether to about 900

From looking at that ....w/out knowing ppms it sure seems to me you are low on your base nute.....you are feeding these plants equal amounts of LK and base nute.....that confuses me a little. I swear I think the prob is you are low on your base nute, can't say about the CalMag but I think you have more supplements making up your numbers than nutrients.

I'm still betting you are too low.....you have a low number to begin with. At day 28 my number would be 1300....and the breakdown would be this

Cal Mag to 400 ppms
Pro Bloom 600 ppm
LK 100ppm to 150ppm
Sweet 100ppm o 150ppm

I have a higher ratio of bloom nute than anything else I use.....and am only using about 1/4 or so of the LK and Sweet you have going.

Bottom line....I think you have too much "junk" and not enough meat and potatoes going in your mix.

[dejayou30]

I have the same mix as I did, but I just put in more base nutes to up the PPM to 1000, so I have 150 mL of base nutes. I started with 1K and it was still 1K this morning. Here are some pics so you can see how bad they are.

[Weedhound]

Hmmm....they are not taking up the food......and honestly they DO look like what my plants did with the copper def and about as fast too....one day they looked a little down and by the next morning they looked like that. BUT it's not going to do any good to raise the number if they aren't eating the food.....

This is very bizarre. You've double checked your ph on your hanna right? That always drove me crazy....damn hanna.

If Rhizome comes around and has a suggestion I would love to hear it. If we don't get any feedback by 10 am my time (about 4 hours from now) I'll call my hydro guy and see if I can get any info from him. I am about out of thoughts here....

[Weedhound]

The wilting in your second photo......I swear to God it looks EXACTLY like mine did when it wilted....just hung there. ...I don't have a photo of when it was bad.

Rhizome.....if you read this......is it possible that too many supplements could have locked out one of the base nutes or the CalMag? My gut is telling me that the LK and Sweet numbers are just too high but I need a better mind to chime in.

[dejayou30]

Well, its night time for them now, so we've got 123 hours to figure it out. I am going to stop and get a larger res today after work. I will try changing the res again tonight with more base nutes and CalMag+ and less supplements, but I guess if worse comes to worse, its only 2 out of 10 plants and I can still use them to make hash because they have a nice coating of crystals.

[dejayou30]

Also, the really sick one looks identical to the one that I killed last grow by what I thought was over nuting, and ironically, its in the same spot in the bin.

Also, I'm finally getting rid of my Hanna pH meter. The hydro guy is leting me return it and use the credit towards a constant read TriMeter that will have temp, pH, and PPM all in one package! And he's giving me 10% for being a loyal customer!

[Weedhound]

i took apart your numbers.....The CalMag is coming up to about 3.8 ml/gallon......I've NEVER gone under 5ml/gallon with the CalMag....let me go work out the Pro Bloom numbers....Pro bloom is 7.6ml/gallon....that sounds low as well....I honestly think you need more of those two and less of your sups......my hydro guy's store opens in 1/2 hour and I'll give him a call and see if he has any pearl's of wisdom.

Sounds good about the meter....my hanna was killing me. I'm going to go work out what 7.6 ml/gal pro bloom equals.

A couple of mine that are almost done have that same "burned edge" appearance. In the case of my plants i know it wasn't overnuting so it has to be some sort of def or something. i've watched it get worse and worse on these plants (slowly) so I'm wondering what else could cause it. Allow me to repeat....On MY plants I'm POSITIVE it's NOT overnuting since it's still going on slowly and the ph has remained extremely stable.

Ps....what's your ph doing?