The "C" Crowd

[rhizome]

I think the primary problem is that you just aren't getting water circulation around those roots- they're too packed. o2 rich water is just shunting around your incredibly dense rootball.

(See what happens when you let a powerplant eat all it wants?)

Anyway, it does kinda look like there may be a secondary pathogen issue- hopefully just psuedemonas shlurping up what ever 02 is making it to your roots, cause that's fixable.

Do the roots near the core feel kind of slimy?

I'd try to loosen up the rootball by hand and use my fingers to comb out any diseased tissue- I'm betting you've got a lot of semi-necrotic tissue in there that'll pop right out. It's nothing but a res of pathogens @ this point.

You could try boosting the o2 w/ some peroxide as well.

The wilt looks more like rhictozoma than pythium to me- but that's a pretty academic differance.

Seriously, with any luck it's just an aerobic slimecoat thing, and a little hand agitation and a good rinsing out will fix it.

This is gonna sound extreme, but have ya thought about physically inserting an airstone right into the center of that rootball? I mean, yeah, it's gonna shock the roots a little bit, but if it's intubation or suffocation, well, easy choice...

And def try the peroxide... Seen it stave off rhicto long enough to get out clean, if that's the problem.

[Weedhound]

Thanks Rhiz....it feels really good to get some confirmation of my thoughts.....

Remember my Master Kush roots? I think I'm better off than that but maybe not by much????

Rhiz....what were to happen if I pulled that bucket apart and let the roots and rocks fall out of that little bucket. Would I irreversibly rip out a bunch of roots? My thought is.....remove broken small red bucket....perhaps support the plant through the lid by the STEM?? or something? Does that make sense?

I have used peroxide at 12ml/5gal water (35%). Should I add more? I think you are right....the issue is that dense rootball needs more space.

I did seperate the larger roots into several groups that hang down instead sitting in a big lump but the ones in that little bucket are just crammed in there......

[rhizome]

what about some chopsticks stuck right thru the rootball, resting on top of supports in the bucket?

You gotta bust that up some- it's going sour.

[Weedhound]

I did indeed "break up" that big rootball thing this afternoon.

[dejayou30]

That is what my roots looked like on my last grow! You asked me to get some pictures but I was too excited about harvesting and I forgot (sorry) but they looked pretty much like that, really black and disgusting up the middle and pretty slimy throughout. Hopefully your issues will turn around!

[stinkyattic]

I'm going to second the idea of inserting an airstone right into the root mass. You GOTTA force circulation somehow.
Shit, I didn't know that little red bucket was so solid or I'd have said something earlier about cutting larger pieces of it off so it looks less like swiss cheese and more like a skeleton!
Good thing the dro-whisperer can ID his pathogens

[zebulon]

Any change ?? how is the patient??

[Weedhound]

Lol, I was dying to tell my hydro guy it was a power plant....got the funny feeling he'd have a better idea if he knew. The plant had been doing so well it just seemed suspicously familiar when it started to go down.....just so much EARLIER than had happend to me before.

I haven't looked at the plant yet this morning....lights out.....but thoughts about removing that red bucket and letting the big rootball hang in the dwc bucket.....perhaps supported the the bucket lid and it's stem or something.....make any sense?

Hey Zeb....got another hour or so before I can look at her.

[Weedhound]

The plant looked a bit better this morning but after some discussion Mr Hound and I called it....while she did seem to improve minimally the fact was that we felt we simply lost too much time (the plant appeared more like 3 weeks into flower than 5) and there was a fair amount of damage done to about the top 1/3 of the it that the plant would have to recover from. With those two things in mind.....we scrapped it. BUT......we learned several cool things along the way that we believe will improve our future growing wihout having to destroy equipment every grow.

After "autopsy" I've pretty much come to the conclusion that that the plant got rootbound, crud built up where the water and aircirculation was poorest and/or non-existent and then disease took over. Can't prove it.......but I'm sticking by that story.

[zebulon]

That last pic looks nasty...is that root rot?? or the pathogens??