Opie,
you're 1 gracious dude when passing on offers. Wow, I mean, WOW.:thumbsup:
ok man, no worries, I'll just puuuuut it back in storage, I have a "touch" of OCD and I'm a "Tool-Guy". That combination equates to about 700 lbs of tools of many different types and trades collected over the years. When someone needs a piece of equipment, I'm "that" guy who gets the call. I do use all the equipment I have, just not all at the same time. I have some tools that were stored for 4 years including two 3000 mile relocations before i used it again, but it was there when i needed it.
if indeed you planned on giving it to me. Now that I think about it you never said if you wanted anything for it,
its all about Karma my friend. I got a thing about Karma.
if u intended to try it on the grow, i was ready to box it up. n/c. (i have more than 1)
But, thanks for the honest self-reality check. Let me know if u change your mind.
btw- wagner makes some 'decent' sprayers for the D-I-Y'ers, but sometimes they are finiky. If I were closer, i'd come over and help ya knock out those cabinets in a hot minute.:thumbsup: truth be told, i have a backround with this type of equipment. I am intimately familiar with it and using it on cabinets.

now on to the Liquid Light.

1- with all due respect to your hydro-guy, i disagree, with backing.
According to the Dutchmaster site and the extensive info on this product, you can use from the first week of veg thru to the 4th week of flwr. It is not recomended for use after the 4th week, for the reasons you mentioned. I will take the word of the manufacturer. and Galina is in week 4.

2- yes, I am using the Penetrator and agree with your assessment of its effect on absorption rate in the leaves. I personally turn off the HPS and use CFL's til dry(10-15 mins), just because i am paranoid. Then I fire up the HPS.

3- one thing u didnt mention is the 15 inch minimum for your lights to be away from the plant when using LL as per DM.
This rule does not apply to CFL's, which are what I'm using for veg and they are 3-6 inches away, with zero ill effects.

4- Brown spots. according to the DM site, this is actually caused by a reaction between some product ingredients and airborne bacteria that exists everywhere on earth, except a class 100 cleanroom(more personal knowledge). They go on further to state that it doesnt happen all the time, just on occassion and don't panic.

5- the physical reaction u mentioned. I went into complete panic mode yesterday because after i gave LL I also lowered the HPS. (It was considerably high up and I was considering lowering for a couple weeks, but procrastinated.) Within 4 hrs of applying the LL, the leaves around the larger,taller flowers did what I call a 'funnel' effect. almost straight up!:wtf: SEE THIS POST, CLICK HERE This freaked me out and i thought maybe i was frying them with the light lowering, so i raised the HPS again. Today, I checked and confirmed I was less than 15 inches from the light when i got the funnel-effect". This is a NO-NO according to the DM site. I raised the HPS to 16 inches above the screen today and poked n hooked everything down and Galina recovered with no visible ill effects, so far.
I will find the pics I took and post here also, tomorow, after i take the 48 hr pix.mmmmmmkay?
It is also stated on the DM site, that you should see significant growth within 48 hrs, lets see.

6- dosage frequency and levels. Recommended to be twice per week, but DM does go further to say an "aggressive" grower could spray every 2 days, as u mentioned. I personally followed the directions to the "T" and gave a full dose and will reapply tomorow morning. If the leaves 'funnel' again, i will not panic and will wait.
Recommended dosage levels are 60ml/4 tbsp LL per 1 liter/qt of final spray solution. Spray til runoff. They also say you can store it mixed in solution for a week.
I simply used clean water as my spray solution.
BTW- Penetrator dosage level is the same. I make up 1 cup water/1 tbsp LL/1 tbsp Penetrator. This is enough for 2 application sessions to everybody in the room.

7- "Blazing Saddles" a true classic of American comedy. Mel Brooks was certainly an insane genius. It is a MUST for every DVD collection,,,,,unless you hate to laugh:wtf:
if you do not laugh while watching this movie, check your pulse, you may already be dead.:wtf:

8- WH- Yes, have Mr Hound pick it up. I am only aware of 1 size. 34oz. Mine was 50 bones, but they were advertising an introductory discount price at my place. supposed suggested retail price is 60. so, dont be surprised by that for the size. as Opie said, it's expensive, but may indeed turn out to be more of a "worthy investment" rather than an "expense".

9- Dutchmaster does recomend you do not use other additives while using LL, unless its their "Gold" product line.
Now, my sales and marketing brain tells me this is to ensure and build brand loyaty. The techie in me, wonders if they mean "no other foliar products"?
Personally, I will continue to use Fox Farms Big Bloom in my watering nutes for my soil use, unless I see a disaster begin to unfold.
as Opie said go to the dutchmaster site for more info, they have much posted, I was glued to my monitor thru 2 cups of coffee....big cups:wtf:


holy canoli, that was the longest post i have ever composed here.:wtf:
I think it took about an hour with all the doubling back to each post and post-editting (i know there are still some spelling errors, if you find them, good! at least u didnt waste all those years in school :wtf ok, that was extreem sarcasm, but, im overdue to smoke too,LOL

I really hope someone finds all this babbling useful.

I must now blaze:smokin:

Rock.
Rock.Steady Reviewed by Rock.Steady on . Foliar Feeding & Liquid Light, Miracle Food or Hoax? Iā??ve never foliar fed, so I guess itā??s time to start. Heard good things. Actually Iā??ve been hearing good things for years but have been reluctant to put another 4 or 5 items in my storage area, and an additional reoccurring dent in my bank account. My wife is absolutely thrilled when I pull that crap, and itā??s been going on ever since I told her years ago that she can be happy now, because Iā??m pretty much done spending money on the project, other than for the basic stuff like one veg Rating: 5