Foliar Feeding & Liquid Light, Miracle Food or Hoax?

[Opie Yutts]

Iâ??ve never foliar fed, so I guess itâ??s time to start. Heard good things. Actually Iâ??ve been hearing good things for years but have been reluctant to put another 4 or 5 items in my storage area, and an additional reoccurring dent in my bank account. My wife is absolutely thrilled when I pull that crap, and itâ??s been going on ever since I told her years ago that she can be happy now, because Iâ??m pretty much done spending money on the project, other than for the basic stuff like one veg nute and one bloom nute, and some PH down. Iâ??m not sure how many times I told her I was done, but itâ??s at least several or more. Sorry babe. Love ya and thanks for your semi-patience. The supply area reminds me of the Stephen King story where the plant matter slowly took over the guy, and he eventually became mostly a plant before killing himself. The area for my nutrients stuff just keeps spreading and growing, and has breached the boundaries of the nutrients cabinet. I think thereâ??s a peppermint Schnapps in the back that I could take out for a little more precious space. Quick tip: Get various sizes of squeeze bottles from a candy/cake making supplier. Theyâ??re awesome for storing and dispensing nutrients, chemicals and mixes. You get to control the flow from the bottle by where you cut the tip off the spout, and they have a cap the does OK at keeping stuff in when you shake it. Plus you can store them away from the bulky jugs. I love em, but I digress. A lot. Sorry.

Today I bought both Dutch Masters veg and bloom Folitech, and their wetting agent called Penetrator. As many of you probably know, that stuff is for foliar feeding. Tomorrow I will return them and get Liquid Light instead. At least I am leaning very heavily in that direction. It does everything that the Folitechs do, plus some greatly improved stuff. Or something. Check this out from the mfg, and hereâ??s where I am forced to ROF and LMAO:

Designed to massively increase the amount of light your plants can use, LIQUID LIGHT will turn your plants into light processing power houses - using over 60% more of the light you provide!. Get 600w performance from a 400w light â?? with LIQUID LIGHT its easy!

Liquid Light specs and directions:
http://www.dutchmaster.com.au/products/products.php?product=2
Dutch Master home page:
http://www.dutchmaster.com.au

Iâ??m not wrong here am I? Dutch Master is generally accepted as top of the line stuff, right?

Are the instructions for foliar feeding in the above link pretty much the way you people foliar feed? Or is it more likely that Liquid Light is an abnormal foliar feeding agent? I am very worried about this:

1. Ensure your lights are on and will be for at least the next 3 hours. This is very important!
2. Make sure your lights are a minimum of 18 to 24 inches from the tops of your plants then spray your plantsâ?¦ at some point they say to spray until it pools and runs off.

Nooo. Please, you are not supposed to leave standing liquid on your leaves under bright light, or it acts like a magnifying glass in the sun focused on a frog, and fries the living daylights out of it. So what the heck are they trying to do to me? Iâ??ve got enough crap going on that I donâ??t need the aggravation of a fried crop, of which Iâ??ve spent many, many hours with. Certainly more than my pets. I hope not more than my family. Of course I could move the lights back a safe distance, but that would defeat the whole purpose of Liquid Light. Either that or I completely misunderstand what the concepts are here. The other stuff Iâ??ve read about what time of the day to foliar feed, says as soon as the lights come on or 10 minutes or so before the lights go out. Also what about their Max FX which you are supposed to spray on alternate days? Plus, they have some more things they want you to add. So much crap for some foliar feeding, but if it would even do ¼ of what they claim, it would be well worth the money and effort. Has anyone used these products, and if so do you do it according to the directions?

To make an extremely long and drawn out question short, What do you people use to foliar feed and how and when do you do it. Time of day, number of days, anything. What kind of sprayer do you use? I got one of them fancy schmancy pump up ones with an extended, aimable brass nozzle. I just hope it sprays nice and fine and thorough instead of in hot spots. Iâ??ve been looking for a good one for years and have bought at least 8. This is the most expensive one Iâ??ve bought so far, but itâ??s not the best there is, Iâ??m sure. It was like $25 or something.

Thanks very much, and Iâ??m very sorry for the long and broken up, rambling, drawn out question. I could go on, but Iâ??m pretty baked right now and itâ??s kinda hard to be eloquent and keep a straight line of thought. More baked than Iâ??ve been in several days, and notice that I choose to spend it with you guys. Love ya, sniffâ?¦

By the way, I know the top of the fridge is not the best spot for nutrients, since heat comes up the back. Iâ??m arranging another space in a few days. I have a mini refrigerator. What are anybodyâ??s thoughts on storing nutrients and stuff in a fridge? Seems like it can only be a good thing. They have the Clonex in the fridge at the hydro store. Wow, my neck is sore. I need a VR suit in a gravity-free pod when Iâ??m using the computer.

Opie Yutts Reviewed by Opie Yutts on 01-04-2008. Foliar Feeding & Liquid Light, Miracle Food or Hoax? Iâ??ve never foliar fed, so I guess itâ??s time to start. Heard good things. Actually Iâ??ve been hearing good things for years but have been reluctant to put another 4 or 5 items in my storage area, and an additional reoccurring dent in my bank account. My wife is absolutely thrilled when I pull that crap, and itâ??s been going on ever since I told her years ago that she can be happy now, because Iâ??m pretty much done spending money on the project, other than for the basic stuff like one veg Rating: 5

[Opie Yutts]

-(edit)- i'm gonna go get some liquid lite, they had it at 2 places about a month or 2 ago and i didnt do it, now u got me psyched.

And with good reason. I got a free sample of Liquid Light and Penetrator (be sure to use Penetrator), did 2 applications, and all I can say at this point is oh my, holy cow, holy crap, oh my God, good night, man, whew...

More to come.

I wrote all about it, then it got wiped out during the recent improvements. Maybe I can muster up the will power to try again later.

Anybody who tries it be sure to take a "before" picture to compare it to "after". I wish I did.

[denial102]

excellent thread, big thanks to the two experimenters! is this foliar stuff just for flowering or can you use it during veg?

Denial

[stinkyattic]

I can clean up the thread but information in deleted posts would be lost. So if one of you wants to go through and do a cut-n-paste of the relevant stuff, that would be good.

[Rock.Steady]

,,,,,

The thread is kind of a mess right now to stick- if someone would like to write a more concise and easy-to-follow tutorial on foliar feeding using this method I will put it in the FAQs, which are due for some serious maintenance pretty soon.

Opie,
this is ur thread, so, its ur call.
I can invest some time if u cannot.(i think the clean up would take about an hour or 2 to do it properly)
I dont mind helping the community, but it is your thread, u have right of first refusal.

Stinky, Thanks:thumbsup:

[stinkyattic]

Are there any mods in the cultivation section anymore? Or is it a free for all now?

Thank you Opie. I have in fact been popping in on this thread but didn't feel as if this particular crew needed to be babysat. Sorry. I'm spread a bit thin right now with a full time job and trying to get a farm up and running singlehandedly in time for the spring farmers markets (I have less than 3 months)... cut me some slack!

The thread is kind of a mess right now to stick- if someone would like to write a more concise and easy-to-follow tutorial on foliar feeding using this method I will put it in the FAQs, which are due for some serious maintenance pretty soon.

[Rock.Steady]

hey Opie,
i reached out and think Stinky is gonna clean up the thread and slide it into "advanced",,,,and sticky it.

i'm guessing we may get some kinda notice/announcement, but i am speculating.

we may simply find ourselves teleported to the new section:abduct:

[Weedhound]

OMG.....and you think X-C and I are geeks....auto sprayer...:S2:
Cannot WAIT to see this.

[Opie Yutts]

Now that is a great idea. I've got like 4 or 5 of them around here somewhere, probably not unpacked from 5 years ago. A couple are kind of trashed and maybe I could try one. But where the heck is that little compressor?

[Rock.Steady]

hey Fred.
how do u control the power coming out of that airless gun?
from my experience, usually u reqr at least 1000 psi to atomize properly. IMO this will created a powerful/forceful mist that can certainly knock those lil guys over in about a second.
additionally, your overspray must be going everywhere and creating a high moisture level in the air of the area which would in turn cause the mist to adhere to anything within a 5-10 ft radius. This would include, but not limited to, your electrical equipment. I would also assume u are getting moisture droplets forming on all surrounding walls. with that i would worry about things like promoting mold/mildew.

moisture plus electricity is a lousy combination in my book.

as u can tell, i am very familiar with this type of equipment.

any further info u can supply would be helpful, and thanks for playing.