I got my ass beat all the time when I was a kid, and I deserved it. When I was really little, I know telling me I was gonna be in trouble wouldn't do anything, telling me I was wrong and explaining it didn't work, I was a little brat who wasn't to be reasoned with. Now if the belt was brought out, or dad got a broom handle, then I would know when I crossed the line. I turned out okay and know not to set people off. So I'm in full support of a bit of physical punishment, because sometimes it's the only thing that will make someone understand. Nothing speaks louder than pain. :jointsmile: