Blue Russians invade flower room

[Rock.Steady]

hydro, zeb thx

wh, we gotta talk, i can explain plenty and ez, and ill b nice as ive read uve had a bad day on the boards

Yes its small. The thing is....Rock can't stop playing with them....fixing them.....helping them.....pruning etc etc etc......and I think it's slowed growth way down. I've mentioned it several times but......well....you can see....sigh. I honestly think the same exact things leads to his having more males than females cause his ratios are backwards when it comes to that.

Rock you are also not supposed to be using the LL at five weeks of flower and i won't ask why you still are because you are certainly going to stop.

playing? no. fixing? um, no. helping? I thought so, been followin Opie's lead in regard to poking leaf down or over. now i did just read ur take on that particular activity. well, this whole scrog thing is brand new for me, so, i'm trying to learn.,. finally, u suggest i've been Pruning??? here's a disclaimer for u: positively no sharp instruments of any kind have been used on this grow since she was topped, none, zero, zip, zilch, nada, neit, nonononono. not this time. i learned on the thai.
actually, i have found that with the screen, i have no desire for pruning, because i have been able to poke the leaves outta the way of more budsites than i'd ever be able to clip to open up.. matter of fact, i havent even forced the dried shrivly leaf off the underside of the growth. i'm lettin her decide what she wants to do and when. so, what did i do? there was once or twice in the last week when she grew and started mashing a flower into the screen, so, i nudged that branch about 0.5-1 inch, to help save the flower. if that was bad, ok, tell me, noted and i will remember, but i woulda thought that was helping. *shrugs shoulders*

now, im not exactly sure what u mean about me causing males thru stress, thats a curious thought. As far as i understood, and maybe i am wrong (im NO expert at all, strickly a rookie, surrounded by pro's and veterans) but, i thought, (#1)a male is a male is a male, and (#2) a female, may hermire if u screw her around or have lite leaks, etc. but then (#3) there's a hermie, who automatically has the ability to go both ways and only thru tuff-love, like leave em alone and dont bother them, and the use of a product like Reverse(which i been using, per yours and DM's directions) u can keep them fem. was i wrong? and , if this is all true, then how on earth did i cause plants to b male only?
if u ask me, and some have, i think i just grabbed the wrong beans. it is a toss of the dice, a crapshoot, is it not? one of the reasons i put them in the big pots as soon as i can is so i dont mess with them too much, or so i thought.

ok, lastly, u are correct, the directions call out 4 weeks.
honestly, i goofed, i didnt plan of spraying her this last time, i was kinda on auto pilot. but, it is extremely dry in their space and the surrounding area and feed air. I have already made a mental note, previously, to not be a bonehead and spray her again, only the younger ones. but thats tomorow, i cant take back what i did yesterday. i will say that i did do the Homer "DOH!" as soon as i realized i was wetting her down, but it was too late. I coulda ran and broke out my old hair dryer from the 80's and dried her, but i thought that would possibly be stressful, so instead, i re-adjusted the fan to blow more in her direction for the day.

now, lets scroll back and talk about size. because,,,"say it with me class" Size Matters.
small, u call her small? really? i topped her twice in veg, and LST'd her still she screamed uncle, then caged her. but always there was growth. first, multiple branches and shoots. the 2 longest curl almost 1/2 way round. the 4 shorter ones are about 1/4 less, and all the low sprouts in the center are now around 1ft tall. i think (maybe wrongfully) thats a shitload of growth,,,isnt it?
hell, her trunk looks like a AA battery, then she shoots in all these directions and wraps around the whole thing.now, am i missing something, or are u just having a bad day (which is ok, but i wanna know if i'm really screwing up too)
in my opinion (and sure, i'm basing it on my only experience, 3 thais germed from beans i saved from the Mezezoic Era that took nearly 6 months each to grow) I think Galina is a monster, I'm totally as happy as i could possibly be and been thinkin how fortunate i am to have such a nice friend that she would share these beautiful beans with the likes of a loony-tune like me so i could have such a beautiful girl of my very own. I spend time just looking at her and talking to her, telling her how much i love her and love how she looks n smells. i'd prolly make a human girl cry with emotional happiness if i said 1/2 as much to one of them as i say to Galina every day. E-V-E-R-Y-D-A-Y.

let me make one last point clear. I already planned on waiting a lil longer than u originally told me she would take. why, you ask? because i did top twice, because i LST'd her to 98% horizontal, because i caged her, because i messed with the lite height, because i am still learning more everyday, because,,,,,ive only grown thai so far, and will be patient, because thats what i'm used to. so, im willing to give her time to catch up. im cool with it.

now, i stand ready to take any correction or new learning u feel i need. but lets make sure i'm screwin up first, otay?

and fwiw, i have spent (wasted) the last 3 days trying to fix my truck, which consisted of searching for a specialized tool i did not own already, that alone wasted 2 days, then broke the part with the new tool right after buying it, only to drill it out, which i could have done 3 days ago and avoided the expense.:wtf:
the urgency here is i was supposed to drive 4 hrs, one-way for an interview. i havent worked in months, so, im bored and crawlin the walls, now instead, ive rescheduled and now need to rescedule again tomorow, cause i wrenched all day and ache head to toe, only to find out, 95% finished, that i need another special part, because i must cut off one of the old parts, because its rusted so badly. and i realized today how out of shape i currently am and every muscle in my body is screaming in pain like im about 187 years old. so, ive had a stellar day or 3, as you may be able to deduce.

so, beat me up if u must, but i might be a lil punchy.

ok, so,,,WAZZZUP?!:wtf: ouch, even saying that hurt

[Weedhound]

I think if you go back to the paragraph that starts "let me make one last point clear" and read that paragraph you'll get what I mean. If you don't then I just plain give up.

And yes...the plant is small you take a look around at anyone else who doesn't "help" their plants so much with five weeks of flower and how many weeks of veg? Of course it doesn't look small to you. What are you comparing it with? Ping and Pong?

[Weedhound]

I just went back and read......this plant had a ten week veg period....it should be the size of a tree by now and I'm not kidding. This plant is 15 weeks old total and is less than "2 feet tall if stood up straight"

If you're happy with that then that's great. I just think there should be alot more plant there than there is.....especially for that age.

Yes...of course you have extended blooming time with all your improvements. That part is a given. The question really is....how much has this affected yield? I personally do believe yield will be affected since the plant is smaller. As I said somewhere in another thread when I overpruned and couldn't leave my plants alone it cut my yield about in half.

[Rock.Steady]

ok, fine, so i did a few things, and im willing to wait a lil longer.
arent u the one who said they were hearty and could take LST, scrog, etc?

maybe the pix i been takin arent doing justice. there are buds everywhere, and yes, i said i was comparing to the stupid thais that went thru a cold snap thru a week of cold nites which is prolly the exact reason they threw the leaves on the floor weeks ago, before i got a space heater for the room and sealed up the extra attic vent.

and i dont have the fancy-assed lighting setups u guys got.

did u forget i only have a 250w HPS?
and use CFL's for veg?
given those factors i disagree with "small"
why do you think i got so incredibly excited about the possible benefits of liquid light?

and while im looking for more reasons to stick a rusty nail thru my skin, do you agree with Zeb and think im waiting too long to water them,,,,wait, i retract that, you let yours live in water, cant ask you that one.

Zeb, unless im a total dope, (at this point even i am considering it)i thought it was let the roots breathe. if i water them as often as you suggest, the soil will stay wet all the time. i think thats how they drown.

ok, what the hell is goin on, is it a full moon or somethin?:wtf:

im sittin here all proud of this beautiful plant, and now find myself defending why im not growing a beanstalk with an illiterate giant living at the top of it?
its my fourth plant dammit.
and she is not small, u guys grow textbook monsters thru chemistry.

[denial102]

HOLY SHIT!!! :jawdropper:

LMFAO thats EXACTLY what I said to myself, and scrolled down and saw you had said that,, haha. Crazy grow!!!!!!!! Well done you two! I am equally as impressed as WeedHound!!

[Weedhound]

Ok, if you're good with it then the plant isn't small.

International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - How to produce mostly females from standard seeds.

Here's an excellent article on some of the how/why's etc about stress creating more males than females from seeds.

[zebulon]

Rock im sorry....i don't wanted to hurt your feelings in any way....
or the feelings of your plants...

What i don't understand is...: The Plants have they own room...they have lots of space....then why topping them??? why LST-ing???
I mean i grow weed in a fucking box, so to get max yield out of that space i need to do some LST....
but in your case, you have a room for growing...lots of space...compared to a box...
Some training is of course good, but if the plants have space to grow, then why stop them?? whit topping and such....

Zeb, unless im a total dope, (at this point even i am considering it)i thought it was let the roots breathe. if i water them as often as you suggest, the soil will stay wet all the time. i think thats how they drown.

It is a good thing when the soil is wet...if the pots have holes on the bottom, and the excess water can leave, there is no way they gonna drown(think about flushing..they don't drown)...you can poke some extra holes in the bottom if you are too afraid...
And for more air poke holes in the side of the pots....and you can carefully loosen up the top layer of the soil if it is too compacted from the waterings whit some piece of wood, but carefully so you don't hurt the roots...
And if you put water in a bottle and start to shake it, it gets oxygenized...
I wrote this because i really think, that this smaller size of the plants is caused not only by to much topping,lst,ect...but also by not enough watering...

[zebulon]

now, im not exactly sure what u mean about me causing males thru stress, thats a curious thought. As far as i understood, and maybe i am wrong (im NO expert at all, strickly a rookie, surrounded by pro's and veterans) but, i thought, (#1)a male is a male is a male, and (#2) a female, may hermire if u screw her around or have lite leaks, etc. but then (#3) there's a hermie, who automatically has the ability to go both ways and only thru tuff-love, like leave em alone and dont bother them, and the use of a product like Reverse(which i been using, per yours and DM's directions) u can keep them fem. was i wrong? and , if this is all true, then how on earth did i cause plants to b male only?

About males and females....i think if you give the plants every thing they need..: good soil; food; !!ENOUGH WATER!! ; light ; air ; nice warm temps and NO STRESS....it is more likely they will become females...
I mean i have spend many of my high school years in a Agriculture school, this is what i noticed...If the plants don't get enough water,there is a drought, it is like 60-80% that they become males, because the bad conditions(i know this sounds stupid) the plant thinks, it has really short time left to live, so it becomes a male, cause it costs less energy....

[zebulon]

I spend time just looking at her and talking to her, telling her how much i love her and love how she looks n smells. i'd prolly make a human girl cry with emotional happiness if i said 1/2 as much to one of them as i say to Galina every day. E-V-E-R-Y-D-A-Y.

:thumbsup:.....i do love my girls too,i talk to them, stoke her leafs gently, kiss every single bud....
but you know, too much love can kill; or in this case it slows down growth....

[Rock.Steady]

Zeb
u didnt hurt my feelings, im dealing with an awful lot rite now, and just when i thought i was really getting the hang of this lil hobby,,,well, after yesterday i'm about ready to throw in the towl and go to a shrink, get medicated and say f it.

as to my room size, yeah, its a room, but the veg cabinet cuts the verticle space in half.
its veg underneath, sealed, and flwr up top in the open.

theres approx 2 ft above the top of the pots b4 they will touch the 250 hps, that will fry them to a crisp im sure. so with the allowable distance and the low strength of the 250 hps in mind, i was under the impression that i'd be good to LST, then WH suggested the scrog would be good for me. since Galina was already LST'd, i thought it was less stress to put the screen and untie her. was i wrong, maybe so. i dunno, i looked at them again, maybe WH's right, maybe they are small, maybe i should leave this to the chemists who seem to make huge happy girls with all this water and chemicals. personally i have never in my life had hydro where i preferred the taste over regular soiled nugs. i lived in socal and had plenty of hydro, ya know what? it sucked. and i really feel more in touch with nature growing in soil, but if im just a jackass and can only get bonsais, well, it might just not be worth the trouble or expense. 2 days ago i was pretty jazzed, now i feel like throwing everything out the window

i dunno, i really need to think this over.


and WH, no, now that ive been made to think about it,,,im not good with it actually.