thats quite a philosophical argument. i my self beleive that until the first person belived truly in their heart that god was real he could not have existed. wouldnt god have revealed himself long before the advent of judaism instead of letting his people worship false gods condeming them to hell? i ask this also all the "ignorant" heathens in the new world that woshiped false gods who lived before the arival of the christians are they in hell? even though a man lived a good life did not kill, provided for his family, but his only "sin" would be that he had never heard the name jesus christ or god, would a loving all forgiving god condem a man for this? so there fore i say god could not have existed at all before beleif. like i said if god existed from the begining of creation then why did he take so long to reveal himself?