Can police force me to open a locked safe?

[FakeBoobsRule]

They have to have a warrant to come in your house and the warrant has to specifically list what they are looking for and where they are going to look for it. If the warrant does not list the safe they have to call the judge to get another warrant to open the safe.

if the warrant list the property as being searched, it means anything and everything in the house, in the cars in the driveway, EVERYTHING.

Warrants dont go into detail such as, The safe in the closet, or the lockbox under the bed. Thats only in television to prolong the story to fit into a hour timeslot.

I saw this thread a few months ago and forgot to comment. I think you are both right. It could go either way. It is going to depend on where you live and the crime the warrant is being used to investigate. If you live in a county or jurisdiction that is prosecutor friendly, a warrant for the property would probably be enough. If you live in a jurisdiciton that is defendent friendly, then the warrant should probably list specific items. The crime that is being investigated might also come into play. If they think you might be in possesion of drugs then the safe would be a reasonable area to search. If they think you stole the Mona Lisa and the safe is the size of a shoebox, then it can be argued that the warrant that didn't list the safe should have been off limits because the painting would have never fit in there. But then a smart prosecutor would argue that you had sold it and they were looking for proceeds from the sale. Then you have the whole Fruit of the poisonous tree versus inevitable discovery arguments. Maybe even that the cops were acting on good faith by opening the safe even though it was not specifically listed. So it could probably go both ways open to interpretation depending on the crime, evidence, judge, jurisdiction.

It varies from school to school. Where I'm at, the only time they can enter my room is only during emergencies or have probable cause.

You realize you need probable cause and a warrant to enter a house or probable cause and an exception to the warrant requirement (exigent circumstance) to enter without a warrant. So if they can come into your dorm with just probable cause, you definitely are getting the short end of the civil rights stick living in the dorm.

[fiddyonefiddy]

dorm room you have no rights
its thier property period. they call that probable cause.
if you get a safe that is your property and cannot be opened without a warrant. weight it down with lead,so they cannot carry it out.buddy of mine went to a recycling place for batteries and bought a bunch of plates and put them in the bottom of the safe.
you could not pick it up with four people.

speedy

[luvfriday]

It varies from school to school. Where I'm at, the only time they can enter my room is only during emergencies or have probable cause.

FYI, you have previously posted the school you go to.
Students are cautioned that they will be disciplined for violations of the UCSC Alcohol and Drug Policy. Sanctions for violation of university policies or campus regulations may include restitution, censure, treatment, loss of housing, suspension, and dismissal.

In addition to disciplinary action, students may face drug related legal penalties as described below:

For manufacture, sale or distribution of illicit drugs (a felony): state prison sentence;
For felony distribution or possession with the intent to distribute a controlled substance on university property: up to twice the prescribed sentence for the original offense and twice the prescribed parole time;
For simple possession of controlled substances, i.e., narcotics, amphetamines, barbiturates, cocaine, hallucinogens, etc. (for marijuana see below): civil fines of up to $10,000 per violation, jail sentence, and denial of federal benefits including financial aid;
For possession of less than one ounce of marijuana (a personal misdemeanor): fine of up to $100;
For possession of one or more ounce(s) of marijuana for personal use (a misdemeanor): fine or jail sentence;
For cultivation or possession for sale, or sale of marijuana (a felony): state prison sentence

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Why not lock up your stash, start smoking joints so you can roll one up and take a walk away from your dorm. You must play the rules or learn to not get caught breaking them. Or transfer to Humboldt as soon as possible.

[noob314]

FYI, you have previously posted the school you go to.
Students are cautioned that they will be disciplined for violations of the UCSC Alcohol and Drug Policy. Sanctions for violation of university policies or campus regulations may include restitution, censure, treatment, loss of housing, suspension, and dismissal.

In addition to disciplinary action, students may face drug related legal penalties as described below:

For manufacture, sale or distribution of illicit drugs (a felony): state prison sentence;
For felony distribution or possession with the intent to distribute a controlled substance on university property: up to twice the prescribed sentence for the original offense and twice the prescribed parole time;
For simple possession of controlled substances, i.e., narcotics, amphetamines, barbiturates, cocaine, hallucinogens, etc. (for marijuana see below): civil fines of up to $10,000 per violation, jail sentence, and denial of federal benefits including financial aid;
For possession of less than one ounce of marijuana (a personal misdemeanor): fine of up to $100;
For possession of one or more ounce(s) of marijuana for personal use (a misdemeanor): fine or jail sentence;
For cultivation or possession for sale, or sale of marijuana (a felony): state prison sentence

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Why not lock up your stash, start smoking joints so you can roll one up and take a walk away from your dorm. You must play the rules or learn to not get caught breaking them. Or transfer to Humboldt as soon as possible.

You're more likely to get off with just a warning though if you get caught here. I do smoke joints now, however, sometimes they're just too rough for me, and aren't as smooth as blunts, which I can't afford to be smoking everyday.

Just last night I was smoking a large joint by myself outside, and I started mistaking things in the dark as some scary shit once I started heading out to the main road after I finished. Never again without friends.

[Mississippi Steve]

Yeah, well, I already caught the guy going around sniffing people's doors one time, when I wasn't even smoking. So I'm pretty sure he's out to bust anyone he can.

I was caught with paraphernalia, and apparently, they couldn't care less. Both the RA and the Campus Security didn't even bother confiscating it or checking for marijuana in my room. As for the hearing, they let me off with a warning. Anyways, I groove on nature now as opposed to my room. There's a lot of wooded areas and bridges around here.

So put the word out that the guy is a snitch, then help insure that he routinely gets the snot beat out of him until he learns to keep his nose out of other folks business.

[hubrock]

dorm room guy: keep the safe in the trunk of your car.

[daihashi]

dorm room guy: keep the safe in the trunk of your car.

Dorm Room Guy: Do not keep the safe in the trunk of your car (filled with your stash). This is opening an even bigger can of worms that you do not want to get into.