droopy leaf problem

[marijuanavillebilly]

-indoor or outdoor - indo
-soil, soilless, or hydroponic - soil
-specific medium organic/non-organic mix
-Soil type/brand - miracle grow moisture control/organic choice (i bumed this from lowes the bag was leakin)
-Hydro/aero/soilless system type - styrofoam cup about 6 inces around 8 inches deep with 15 tooth pick sized holes for drainage
-Anything you have added to the soil - small amount of rooting compound (that was weeks ago)
-Soil pH - nobody sells gardening supplies in my neck of the woods this time of year can i use a pool tester?
-Water source - 99.9% rain fall (straight from sky not off roof)
-Water pH - 6.5-7.2 mainly
-Age of plant - about 4 weeks
-Type of fertilizer MG liquid feed highly diluted (havent added any yet)
-Rate of application - once every 4 waterings (very light ammounts)
-Lighting source and distance from plant - 2 43 watt cool sunlight CFL and 3 20 watt warm light CFL in a shiny white kitty litter bucket.
-Temperature (both day and night if you are running a dark period) - day 70-80 night 55-60 its winter
-% Relative humidity - idk i guess about 30%
-Lighting schedule - 12/12
-Type of ventilation your room has - 2 comp fans one suckin and one blowin one on the top half of the right side and the other is on the bottom half of the left side.

the leaves are turning light green? they where droopy and real dark now their drropy and light green.

i know the droop is half geneitcs and half over watering. even if the soil drys up the leavse perk but dont completely stop drooping.

marijuanavillebilly Reviewed by marijuanavillebilly on 12-23-2007. droopy leaf problem -indoor or outdoor - indo -soil, soilless, or hydroponic - soil -specific medium organic/non-organic mix -Soil type/brand - miracle grow moisture control/organic choice (i bumed this from lowes the bag was leakin) :) -Hydro/aero/soilless system type - styrofoam cup about 6 inces around 8 inches deep with 15 tooth pick sized holes for drainage -Anything you have added to the soil - small amount of rooting compound (that was weeks ago) -Soil pH - nobody sells gardening supplies in my neck Rating: 5

[marijuanavillebilly]

could this be because of ph?
what is the ph?
and do the pots have good drainage?

[marijuanavillebilly]

i have a vid of the problem. its getting worse!

[stinkyattic]

That hosting site is timing out on me- possibly high holiday traffic- can you post as an attachment? When you hit 'post reply' there is a field called 'manage attachments' and that will attach a thumbnail to your message so we cna see better.
Lol @ avatar, mario bros is a classic.

[marijuanavillebilly]

YouTube - the plant and grow box
link to video ^

images v (i forgot to set image quality to best)

[Zcomp]

Few things.
Any wind actually fluttering the leaves?(to remove stale air trapped around each leaf).
Styrofoam may leach chemicals into your soil(though I've never used Styrofoam).
In a pinch, you can use an aqaurium PH tester. Try to find one with a large scale(5ph-10ph). Be sure to get the freshwater, saltwater tester are inappropriate. Test the water your using. Then just test the soil runoff. Imagine the PH of water being changed by the PH of the soil before running out the bottom.I.E. 7PH water, 6PH runoff = about 5PH soil going up due to the now added 7PH.
Walmart sells combo temp/humidity digital meters for about $10.
PH up and PH down can be found in the pool section, by the names sodium carbonate and sodium Bisulfate respectively. I've been told that those are plant safe.
After all that, there may be a lack of nutes problem. But please examine that one LAST.
MG soil, usually contains nutes already. MG soil tends to start dropping in PH soon after the nutes start being used. A flush may be in order(Rainwater for that one. Probably has the most correct PH to start.). Flush should also be look at last, after you've tested PH, if its extremely off, then Flush may be the way to go.

[stinkyattic]

You need more perlite in the soil when you re-pot.
Looks like a pH problem and possibly lack of calcium.
Lose the rainwater and switch to tap. This may sound strange, but tap water is actually preferable. Rain coming off your roof has a number of issues- no calcium or magnesium, which are found in tap water and the plant needs. Acid rain- nitric and sulfuric acid- no good. No calcium carbonate means less capacity to buffer pH. Tap water is better.

Foliar feed right away with a very dilute solution of your miracle grow fertilizer to stop the deficiency from getting worse. Flush with tap water, poke EXTRA holes, and allow to dry pretty well before next feeding. One of the problems looks like overwatering actually.

[marijuanavillebilly]

the fan makes the plant wave like a freakin drunk idiot...roommate. XD
i think my roomate waters it while im out cuz the soil gets dry on the top, yet this is normal causes root growth...right?
and i nuteralized the nutes with a firm boiling of a miracle grow soil/water mix.
i have humus/manure/peatmoss "organic choice" (the perliteless soil you see now) around the transplanted plant.
peatmoss is bad after a while from what ive seen of stinkys posts. =)
and if you watched the vid you could have seen the grow box, and plant.
im going to lowes to get vermiculite and perlite tomorrow.
the box has aluminum foil tape in it to cover up holes that where unwanted and the plant is on a 18/6 cycle but the temps get to about 40F in the 6 hours so the plant gets purple and turns back to green can i use this to my advantage?

[marijuanavillebilly]

i found some pool ph stabilizer. its in the pool pro bags, is it safe?
and im gunna get a humidity/temp meter today also.
what can i use other than mylar for a small enclosed area?
would thick white blankets work?
how bout a duct tape colored tarp?

[stinkyattic]

Don't use pool pH kits. Wrong chemicals.
No blankets, too flammable. Flat white paint is good. Tarps not good. Mylar camping/emergency blankets from camping section of walmart are better.
Let soil dry out between waterings.
40'F is WAY too cold and that's one of your main problems. Don't let it get below 60'F or above 85'F ever.
Please read the link in my signature for a bunch of useful info.