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    Coercive population control: from the mouth of Frank Notestein

    Coercive population control: from the mouth of Frank Notestein [align=left]Daniel Taylor
    Wednesday, December 19, 2007[/align]
    Frank Notestein (1902 - 1983) was one of the most influential population control activists and demographers of the 20th century. His work led to the establishment of demography as an academic discipline. He worked as the first director of the population division of the United Nations, was instrumental in the founding of John D. Rockefeller's Population Council in 1952, and was a director of population research at Princeton University. [1]
    In a paper written by Notestein in 1969 titled "The Problem of Population Control," he outlines a strategy of quickening the pace of depopulation. Notestein admits that economic modernization would "...bring the birthrate down automatically." However, he goes on to state that more drastic measures must be taken because in his opinion this method would not be fast enough. "coercion" and the "institution of a totalitarian regime" are Notestein's solutions.
    "...The need for an early reduction of the birthrate is acute. Birthrates in the past have fallen most rapidly in the context of modernization and social-economic change. But there is nothing in the European experience to suggest that we must rely solely on gradual and automatic changes in society. One often meets the glib generalization, particularly in the underdeveloped countries, that it is only necessary to concentrate on social and economic modernization since it is well known that we can rely on these processes to bring the birthrate down automatically. The argument neglects the time-span required for such an adjustment... Even if we could be assured of rapid social and economic development the lag in transition between reduction of death rates and the reduction of birth rates poses enormous problems of population growth."

    Notestein continues,
    "...even if successful, voluntary family planning programs cannot be expected to resolve the world population dilemma. Even in the more developed countries, and notably in the United States, surveys show couples desiring more children than are necessary for replacement... Thus we cannot rely on the self-interested choices of individual couples to met society's needs. The only acceptable goal is zero rate of growth because any rate of growth continued long enough leads to astronomical figures. Given existing preferences in family size, governments must go beyond voluntary family planning. To achieve zero rate of population growth governments will have to do more than cajole; they will have to coerce."
    "The logical target for legal and institutional pressures is the family: pressures to postpone marriages; economic pressures and inducements for married women to work outside the home; provision of free abortions for all women requesting them; downgrading of familial roles in comparison with extrafamilial roles; and restriction of housing and consumer goods... Such institutional changes supply motivation for family limitation and the provision of free abortions affords a means. The implications of such major institutional changes go far beyond population control. The family is the basic social unit of society and its major institution for the socialization of the children... to impose more drastic changes on a large scale implies many risks, not least to the regime that undertakes them. The price for this type of population control may well be the institution of a totalitarian regime." [2]
    Citation:
    [1] "Notestein, Frank W." Encyclopedia of Population. Ed. Dennis Hodgson. Vol 2. p. 696-697. Available online at: <The City in the American Imagination
    /so184/popdocs/EofPNotestein.pdf>
    [2] Ed. Hauser, Philip Morris. The Population Dilemma. Prentice-Hall, Englewood Cliffs, N.J. 1969. pages 145 - 166
    pisshead Reviewed by pisshead on . Coercive population control: from the mouth of Frank Notestein Coercive population control: from the mouth of Frank Notestein Daniel Taylor Wednesday, December 19, 2007 Frank Notestein (1902 - 1983) was one of the most influential population control activists and demographers of the 20th century. His work led to the establishment of demography as an academic discipline. He worked as the first director of Rating: 5

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    Coercive population control: from the mouth of Frank Notestein

    And then when the population 'problem' is sorted out, I'm sure they'll give up their totalitarian regime. I mean, of course they'll just get up and give up their power. LOL what a joke.

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    Coercive population control: from the mouth of Frank Notestein

    Quote Originally Posted by mfqr
    And then when the population 'problem' is sorted out, I'm sure they'll give up their totalitarian regime. I mean, of course they'll just get up and give up their power. LOL what a joke.
    Totalitarian and corrupt governments thrive very well in societies with high percentages of large families that live in poverty, rather than in countries where the citizens have a higher standard of living thanks to intelligent family planning. Overpopulation is a valuable asset to war profiteers. as well.

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    Coercive population control: from the mouth of Frank Notestein

    Quote Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
    Totalitarian and corrupt governments thrive very well in societies with high percentages of large families that live in poverty, rather than in countries where the citizens have a higher standard of living thanks to intelligent family planning. Overpopulation is a valuable asset to war profiteers. as well.
    You're right. If the citizens in a country are wealthy and independent it is much harder to enslave them. Hence the reason in the United States the government is vastly overspending, destroying the value of the dollar, flooding the country with illegal aliens, giving them jobs, social security after being in the country one month, 6x welfare checks etc...

    The elites are working their very hardest to destroy the middle class.

    As for overpopulation being a valuable asset, it's not. First, JD Rockefeller made $245 million from World War II, over $1.5 trillion when you adjust inflation. These banking families who are for eliminating 80% of the world's population are already worth tens of trillions. They have no fiscal incentive for keeping these indiviuals alive.

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    Coercive population control: from the mouth of Frank Notestein

    Quote Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
    Totalitarian and corrupt governments thrive very well in societies with high percentages of large families that live in poverty, rather than in countries where the citizens have a higher standard of living thanks to intelligent family planning. Overpopulation is a valuable asset to war profiteers. as well.
    Right you are. What I was saying, though, was that nobody is going to willingly give up their power in a totalitarian regime. So even if what they think is a big problem is sorted out, they would still keep the totalitarian regime in place. Take this quote:

    "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men." - Lord Acton, 1887

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