LEAF CLAW MYSTERY AT BUD SITE

[Weedhound]

You cetainly can leave them......when growing you pretty much get back what you put out. If you think they look lousy now.....wait for the end of six weeks of flowering and you'll be AMAZED at how crappy they'll look then......but on the plus side.....you'll be able to fit your whole yield into one pack of zig zags.

[stinkyattic]

Too much N can cause or contribute to that leaf curl. You'll be shocked when you see what an improvement a re-pot will make though. And remember that fertilizer and pH problems are amplified by cold.
You aren't using a peat-based soil by any chance are ya? Peat media tend to go to shit VERY VERY fast sometime between the 2nd and 3rd month after first wetting and your pH will PLUMMET. If you are east of the Mississippi, go to Agway and get a couple sacks of 'manure with humus' and a couple of perlite- this stuff is MUCH more stable and the coarse texture is great for indoor growing.

[lethalrx]

"TOO MUCH NITROGEN BURNS THE EDGES OF THE LEAVES"
this is a quote from my pal.

he seems to think their is no way i over fertalized or have too much nitrogen

he thinks the whole time they only had a nutrient deficiany

argggg. getting all those girls of the floor is a pain in my arce

sorry, including the bucket/root height, they are between 4 to 5 ft tall

[stinkyattic]

Too much fert generally scorches the TIPS of the leaves. What you are seeing IMHO is a combination of potbound and bad pH exacerbated by cold.
Complain all ya want about slipping a block of foam under each pot, but if the plants could talk, they'd be complaining louder. Seriously it's not all that hard. Cut up a piece of foam insulation into sqaures about 2x2 feet and have a buddy lift the pot as you slide each one under. Easier than trying to move ALL the plants and slide a BIG sheet under there ya know? You gotta re-pot anyway...
Height probs, bend them over sideways, whcih you should do anyway to take advantage of the light better. A flatter canopy and shorter plant height is desirable under artificial lights.

[stinkyattic]

Oh- I speak from personal experience here. Been there, done that, from a cold cellar floor to a peaty medium running pH in the high 4's. I PROMISE I won't steer you wrong. Ask anyone.

[lethalrx]

wow. thanks for the modest dose of sarcasm weed hound.

[lethalrx]

QUOTE: from devil on my left, in response, as i read your last post aloud
" DUDE, YOU DO NOT NEED TO REPOT - YOU DO NOT NEED TO REPOT "
haven't run this all by angel on the right, talk to him later.

anyway. its so hard to navigate a path without tons of people closing doors on ideas, argg. i will have to begin to experiment... i will reup for the worst ones. did you say turn them sideways. as in lay them down on the ground. like sideways on the ground, , and leave them there, this seems radical. i guess height isnt that bad of a problem. but cool idea ?

REGARDLESS OF WHAT ANYONE SAYS; to me your analysis especially the most recent is flawless. i belive your diagnosis is completely correct, thanks for your input. i wll run some test groups.

[lethalrx]

what does IMHO combustion mean ?

[lethalrx]

so, in final analysis of my own question, with continued research besides the post. and just to sum up the post in my own words for clarification.

there is probably to much root matter in the bucket,
? so when the plant is fed,
and then fed too often,
the uptake of the nutrs is very efficient, too efficient. ?
it is not a deficiency as first suspected.

? the roots are taking up the water/nutrs
and they are getting extra nitrogen...
so this is making the leaves curl down ?

this example of leaf eagle claw / leaf canoe droop
on healthy bud site leaf families. is a result of
extra nitrogen uptake from a root bound system,
it is also cold on the roots, so ? ...
...this is slowing the plant growth at the flower top leaf ...

so maybe there is extra nitrogen there
that the plants could use
but are not able to use most efficiently. ?

there is not enough soil matter for proper plant function ?
which is only being amplified by w.constant
cold concrete during night cycle...

no need to worry about a flush so much as
the soil environment to root matter ratio in conjunction with plant uptake of and frequency of feeding and nutrs.


otherwise healthy plant
( over fert./ bound root system + cold = specific claw )

[Weedhound]

Revised: The Complete Guide To Sick Plants,pH and Pest Troubles - PlanetGanja.com

This is worth a good look through if you haven't seen it before.