Quote Originally Posted by Weedhound
Because as far as I'm concerned you guys are pretty much doing "supercropping" and if not that....then close to it.

I don't know much about supercropping, but I guess what I thought I knew is wrong. Isn't that when you intentionally damage your plants? I thought you gently crush stems with hopes that they will build back up better, faster, stronger. I have not thoroughly studied this, but so far it seems like a bunch of nonsense.

The last thing I want to do is damage my plants. I hardly ever remove a leaf, and the second to last resort (which is rare as well) is to damage the stem of the leaf, just enough to permanently get it growing in a more desirable direction. Are you trying to tell me that you do not move a fan leaf if it is shading the light from a nug of value? What if you physically did not have any place to put that leaf due to extremely dense jungle conditions? Would you remove it or let it shade Cindy07, your 6th favorite bud of the grow?

Quote Originally Posted by Weedhound
I personally think... that every single time you do something to the plants, retie them, push things around, pick off a few fan leaves, change a growth direction, pinch off a branch, snip off a "quick nug" for trying .....ANYTHING.... you are making the plant stop what it is doing....... growing......and concentrate on fixing whatever problem has just come up and it doesn't really go back to full on growing until said problem is taken care.

I agree 100%. That's why I've always said that I absolutely hate removing anything, and it is absolutely a last choice. It's also rare for me. This last grow of mine it became a little less rare due to me being a first timer at LST, and doing a whole bunch of things wrong, from starting with fucked up clones to making way too many bud sites.

Quote Originally Posted by Weedhound
I was actually going to mention it on your thread opie.....you have a million budsites but they are all small. I think (just guessing) you are going to have an extended bloom time but if you keep training from here on out to a MINIMUM you will eventually get some good yield to your buds. If you keep "fixing them" again and again.....well I do think it will affect yield as well eventually but......DISCLAIMER THREE.....it's just my opinion.

Where do you keep getting the impression I like fixing them again and again? I've said several times (somewhere) that I have been done fixing for quite awhile now. The only thing I'm doing to them until harvest is tucking an occasional leaf so it doesn't shade a bud. The leaf is still there, it's just in a different position. I feared that I was writing "I fucked up this grow on several levels and I am doing things different next time", too many times, but maybe I need to say it more.

Here's how the minimal stress life of a MJ plant in my system is supposed to exist through harvest:

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How do you stress me, let me count the ways:

Other than getting 99.7% of her body hacked off and taken away from her, she starts out fairly stress free. The first possible stress is if any mold starts appearing in the aero cloner. That doesn't really happen much, and if it does it's usually where any foliage touches a part of the cloner that stays wet. This is usually toward the end of her stay in the cloner and is semi-rare. An antifungal could help, but usually I don't need one. This happens whether you scrog or not.

The next stress is when she starts getting hardened. I leave the dome lid up 1/4" or so, just until she starts to look unhappy. I keep doing off and on, each time making the opening larger. Eventually she will be fine without a dome and it's time to plant. You can also harden after planting, but that's more difficult IMHO, and also more dangerous. You just put a baggie, or any clear plastic... thing, over her and do the same as with the lid. This happens whether you scrog or not.

The next stress is when I top or LST, but normally for me it's topping. This happens for many people whether they scrog or not.

The next stress is when I don't check in on them and they have grown into the light, and got couple crispy leaves. This happens for many people whether they scrog or not.

The next stress is when I take them out of the veg section and put them into the flower section. This happens for many people whether they scrog or not, but some effects of this stress can be softened a little, through various methods. I don't worry about it much, but I usually taper off the veg nutes instead of switching all at once.

The next stress shares stress time with the previous one. This is one of the few stresses that is more likely during scrogging, but it happens when the plant is in the veg state, even though it's in the bud chamber. I have not noticed this stressing the plants that I've grown, much if any, but I'm sure it is a possible stress. When I lower the screen onto the plants things can get a little tricky. It would probably be best if I had two people for this but normally I don't. You just have to go ahead and let the plants bend out of the way of the screen. Rarely, maybe every other time, I will snap one in two. Believe it or not this can easily be fixed with a simple piece of masking tape. Just tape em back together as close to their original positions as possible. More often, maybe once each time I'll bend one sharply, which of course is not a problem except for yes, it is a stress. Again, this happens in veg and it's kinda rare. Also, this happens for many people whether they scrog or not.

The main stress that happens in a scrog grow is when you remove the branches and any shoots or potential popcorn buds below the canopy. This certainly must be stressful, but I have never really seen it bother my plants. They just kinda say, "Hey stop it. That tickles", then get on with the usual burst of flowering energy. This happens for some people whether they scrog or not.

As far as I can see, and correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure someone will, this next stress is the only one that's inherent to the scrog method. I speak of the little stresses here and there that happen usually in the first two weeks of flowering only. If you do things right, nothing will be cut off. You just position stalks and stems where you want them to be. No bending, no cutting, and hopefully no damage. Just positioning. Much the same as if a branch grew up against the side of a building and hit a window sill or something. It just kinda gets pushed in a direction it wasn't planning on going and says, "Immovable object. Go around". If you stay on it and once a day or so just make sure theyâ??re staying under the screen, itâ??s not much of a stress, but I'm sure it could be considered one. And again this shouldnâ??t be done after 2 weeks of flowering. You want to basically leave them alone after that, except for occasionally moving a leaf thatâ??s shading a good bud. In my opinion you should be doing that no matter what.

Of course there is other stress, such as changes in PPM or diet, but you know, I aint going to list them all. Feel free to add to the list if you so desire.

Nope, sorry, I'm just not buying it. Scrogging is nearly as stress free as any other method in which you top a couple times. But hey, that's just me, experimenting and deciding and deciding what works for me. Your mileage may vary.

MVP, Sorry for the take over.