Quote Originally Posted by Ozarks
Bush believed the intell in 02, went into Iraq looking for WMD, when the stockpiles didn't appear "he" was a "lier, stupid" etc.
Yep, I think he was a liar. I don't think he was stupid, though. I think the Bush administration is good at deceiving people.

He questions the intell in 07 and the SAME people are accusing him of the SAME thing, think about that.
The "same people" are accusing him of questioning the intel? That's a bit vague, so I'm not exactly sure what you're saying there.

The old "cherry picking" line, can't prove it but still believe it, fair enough.
We all have our beliefs. Some things you have to feel things out, because there is no proof. I have no intention of proving it to you. In fact, I'm not exactly sure why I'm still discussing this with you. You do bring up good points, but I, as well as you, know that my main point lies in the area regarding you posting a FOX News article for the base of your argument--which I find to be kind of ridiculous.

I don't know what all that has to do with smoking pot, but I will say again ; you can move one of several states, smoke all pot you want and nobody will care. If you are smoking where it's illegal that's your choice, you have the freedom to do either one.
Heh, like I said, it was an example as to why what you said was wrong. I could move to one of those states if I had the money, but unfortunately I do not. Also, we both know that one is not exempt from the federal law in those states. It's still not legal, my friend. It's not free. While the laws in california, alaska, and colorado, are rather lax, it's still in a gray area. Still not freedom! Also, I could bring up the issue of other drugs into the conversation, but that is not free to do here on these boards .

I don't "know" if they are lying, but the evidence suggests that they are hiding "parts" of their program.
Well, that's what you've seen... but you haven't seen the actual intelligence report straight from the CIA, have you? Once again, if 15 other nations messed up on the intelligence regarding Iraq, like you said, then how can you possibly say for sure that the intelligence in regard to Iran is not a mistake as well? I've asked a similar question, but you didn't answer it.

If they weren't looking to use their nuclear program for weapons, they would cooperate with the IAEA and follow the South Africa, Libya (and in the process North Korea) models.
And what are those models?

Now who's "cherry picking"
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I'm not criticizing you, I'm talking to you.
Fair enough (although you were criticizing me about how I decide to "disregard" things because it doesn't fit my own personal belief, which is at least slightly true for the both of us).


Translation,the "echo chamber' is on my side, c'mom, you're smarter than that.
So if somebody can help corroborate my side of the story then it's an echo chamber, and not smart?