It's not really happening; they are all liars

[Ozarks]

I thought the CIA was supposed to be one the best intelligence agencies in the world?

Where did you hear that ?

Perhaps since the intelligence was wrong, then maybe the Bush administration and others involved should be punished for negligence.

Bush didn't create the CIA, American Intell was there already, everytime someone gives bad advice the person receiving it should be "punished":wtf:

That's your opinion, but you don't even know me. Nobody is truly free anywhere. If we were, we wouldn't be persecuted for smoking pot. Are we still free, Ozarks?

Yes, you are free, if you want to smoke pot than move to a state with those laws. You don't need any papers or permission from the Government, it called voting with your feet, free Americans do it every day. Of course you have stop blaming other people for your lack off freedom, and take responsibility for your own life.

And since the intelligence that justified the invasion of Iraq was wrong, what makes you think the intelligence regarding Iran isn't?

I don't, but unlike you, I don't believe that 10% of it, the part you want to hear (IE Iran temporally suspended their bomb assembly program) and than disbelieve the other 90%, they are still enriching uranium, still building underground faculties and are making a daily effort to hide what they are doing, "peaceful" countries don't do that.

[mfqr]

Bush didn't create the CIA, American Intell was there already, everytime someone gives bad advice the person receiving it should be "punished":wtf:

Maybe, when it's at this caliber, they should have looked into it much better. Perhaps they shouldn't always just take their word for it right off the bat? Plus, I am pretty sure that the Bush administration knew it was bad intelligence anyway.

Yes, you are free, if you want to smoke pot than move to a state with those laws. You don't need any papers or permission from the Government, it called voting with your feet, free Americans do it every day. Of course you have stop blaming other people for your lack off freedom, and take responsibility for your own life.

Oh, of course you are in essence free. You can do whatever you want, but that doesn't mean that society or the law won't intervene and haul you off to jail/prison. That isn't free if you ask me. As an example, that's like saying in an oppressive dictatorship that has no free speech that you can in essence speak freely, so you're free. The truth is, if you are caught, you would be punished. That is not what freedom is.

I don't, but unlike you, I don't believe that 10% of it, the part you want to hear (IE Iran temporally suspended their bomb assembly program) and than disbelieve the other 90%, they are still enriching uranium, still building underground faculties and are making a daily effort to hide what they are doing, "peaceful" countries don't do that.

Maybe it's not true that their nuclear weapons program was disabled in 2003 (or 2004, whatever they said). You don't believe it, that's ok. I am not saying it is for sure correct in everything it says. However, since you do have the ability to be logical, then it's pretty safe to say that what you say about Iran could very well be false also. Tell me, though... what makes you think they aren't lying? Why do I think they're lying, or have bad intelligence? Well, look at the history of the Bush administration. My point is, you're knocking down the Al Jazeera report on it and don't believe it, yet you believe the garbage coming from FOX News? Isn't that just a bit weird? I think it is. I'm sure they both spit propaganda like Jeru the Damaja spits mad rhymes, but you as well are choosing to believe what you want to believe. Isn't it a bit hypocritical for you to criticize me about believing what I want to believe, when you are doing the same? FOX News is not a credible source for news... there are many, many people here that can back me up on this.

[wickerbill]

The truth of the matter as I see it is that anyone who believes the war in Iraq is valid at this point in time with all the facts that are available, many posted on this forum, will not be convinced otherwise no matter what proof is presented. For those who believe in this " war" I say sign up for combat and fight for your beliefs. Personal attacks on one another on this forum is counter-productive and only serves to entrench one in his/her own beliefs. As for Iran it is one thing to build a functioning nuke it is an entirely different thing to deploy it. It doesn't help that the US installed a brutal dictator in Iran(ie: the shaw) nor does it help that we load up the Israelies with state of the art weapons(including nukes) aircraft etc. and sanction what ever they do without considering the other side. And to our British friend Snowblind, it didn't help matters that after WWI your generals re-drew the maps of the middle east to suit the British Empire, I won't go into Bush's poodle.

[Bong30]

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Yep, their just peaceable Muslims, their not building a nuclear bomb, they don't want to hurt anybody. Bush the IAEA the UN their all lier's.

Some of you just crack me up.

Im with you Ozark. They start with a hate for america and capitalism and it isnt far from believing Aquavelva jad over your own country.

Most of the Lefties on here, could just go to the friday Prayers in theran and fit right in....... same Rhetoric as those America haters


Keep up the fight O.... i dont know how you do it

[Ozarks]

Maybe, when it's at this caliber, they should have looked into it much better. Perhaps they shouldn't always just take their word for it right off the bat?

Bush believed the intell in 02, went into Iraq looking for WMD, when the stockpiles didn't appear "he" was a "lier, stupid" etc.

He questions the intell in 07 and the SAME people are accusing him of the SAME thing, think about that.

I am pretty sure that the Bush administration knew it was bad intelligence anyway.

The old "cherry picking" line, can't prove it but still believe it, fair enough.

Oh, of course you are in essence free. You can do whatever you want, but that doesn't mean that society or the law won't intervene and haul you off to jail/prison. That isn't free if you ask me. As an example, that's like saying in an oppressive dictatorship that has no free speech that you can in essence speak freely, so you're free. The truth is, if you are caught, you would be punished. That is not what freedom is.

I don't know what all that has to do with smoking pot, but I will say again ; you can move one of several states, smoke all pot you want and nobody will care. If you are smoking where it's illegal that's your choice, you have the freedom to do either one.

Maybe it's not true that their nuclear weapons program was disabled in 2003 (or 2004, whatever they said). You don't believe it, that's ok. I am not saying it is for sure correct in everything it says. However, since you do have the ability to be logical, then it's pretty safe to say that what you say about Iran could very well be false also. Tell me, though... what makes you think they aren't lying? Why do I think they're lying, or have bad intelligence?

I don't "know" if they are lying, but the evidence suggests that they are hiding "parts" of their program. If they weren't looking to use their nuclear program for weapons, they would cooperate with the IAEA and follow the South Africa, Libya (and in the process North Korea) models.

Well, look at the history of the Bush administration. My point is, you're knocking down the Al Jazeera report on it and don't believe it, yet you believe the garbage coming from FOX News?

Now who's "cherry picking"

Isn't it a bit hypocritical for you to criticize me about believing what I want to believe,

I'm not criticizing you, I'm talking to you.

FOX News is not a credible source for news... there are many, many people here that can back me up on this.

Translation,the "echo chamber' is on my side, c'mom, you're smarter than that.

[snowblind]

Life outside the "echo chamber" where you hear difference points of view, and people except you to response and have something intelligent to say when your view of the world is challenged, is pretty scary.......isn't it,.........BOO

yeah its so scary im sitting at my computer shouting down alot of people because there opinon differs from mine and they are all based on intelligent reasoning, removed from the IDIOT BOX of television, FOX news and the american political propoganda machine.

It is infact SO SCARY im sitting in my house shitting myself, there is poo running down my leg. I have a box filled of water and theres emergency rations there too.

Wait....no....thats right im having some tea browsing the internet and getting ready to go out.

Im about as scared of your opinion as i am of spam and to be honest spam is probably more likely to kill me first.

But its ok, you don't belive your government lied to you to invade IRAQ.

WOW, just WOW.

Sorry so they found weapons of mass destruction, no, but they did find oil, which well there one in the same for you guys.

Kyoto agreement anyone ?

[Ozarks]

But its ok, you don't belive your government lied to you to invade IRAQ.

I believe that American Intelligent along with British,France Italian,German,India,Pakistan, Israel, Egypt & about 10 other countries all believed that Iraq had WMD, they were wrong, of course "they lied" is easier/quicker to type.

Sorry so they found weapons of mass destruction, no, but they did find oil, which well there one in the same for you guys.

I'm probably wasting my time but, for the record, Iraq doesn't export oil to any country except France, (which was not part of the coalition to liberate Iraq) Saddam signed contracts with France and the elected Iraq Government has chosen to honor those contracts.

[mfqr]

I believe that American Intelligent along with British,France Italian,German,India,Pakistan, Israel, Egypt & about 10 other countries all believed that Iraq had WMD, they were wrong, of course "they lied" is easier/quicker to type.

Wow, those are a lot of intelligence agencies who got it wrong. Quite a pandora's box this is turning out to be. So we can't rely on our intelligence, Britain's, France's, Italy's, Germany's, India's, Pakistan's, Israel's, Egypt's, and about 10 ther country's intelligence... so who do we believe? Are you really so sure the Bush administration didn't conspire to deceive the American people to invade Iraq?

I'm probably wasting my time but, for the record, Iraq doesn't export oil to any country except France, (which was not part of the coalition to liberate Iraq) Saddam signed contracts with France and the elected Iraq Government has chosen to honor those contracts.

Personally, I think this war in Iraq has more to do with religion than anything else.

[L Rag]

Where did you hear that ?


Bush didn't create the CIA, American Intell was there already, everytime someone gives bad advice the person receiving it should be "punished":wtf:



Yes, you are free, if you want to smoke pot than move to a state with those laws. You don't need any papers or permission from the Government, it called voting with your feet, free Americans do it every day. Of course you have stop blaming other people for your lack off freedom, and take responsibility for your own life.




I don't, but unlike you, I don't believe that 10% of it, the part you want to hear (IE Iran temporally suspended their bomb assembly program) and than disbelieve the other 90%, they are still enriching uranium, still building underground faculties and are making a daily effort to hide what they are doing, "peaceful" countries don't do that.

Uh huh, and what right does America have to stop them doing their "unpeaceful" actions when America are doing it on a much larger scale..

[snowblind]

I believe that American Intelligent along with British,France Italian,German,India,Pakistan, Israel, Egypt & about 10 other countries all believed that Iraq had WMD, they were wrong, of course "they lied" is easier/quicker to type.


I'm probably wasting my time but, for the record, Iraq doesn't export oil to any country except France, (which was not part of the coalition to liberate Iraq) Saddam signed contracts with France and the elected Iraq Government has chosen to honor those contracts.

no but its all part and partial, ocupation, domination and policing. its how you build an empire.

except empires dont last.

believe it if you like, believe it with your whole heart that your government are doing there best to look after YOU.

its ok, but like you said its SCARY when someone else has opinions different to yours. Like everyone else is showing.

You wont win this because as you have proven all information and 'intelligence' is based on nothing but bullcrap. lies upon lies upon lies.

which is why im not wasting my time watching cnn/fox news/bbc 24

theres no point. fear = control