thanks for the confirmation,both have been pulled and replaced by the plants i had in smaller pots,which have now shown sex and i can confirm are female too,bit of a bummer the males but i didn't have space for all my plants so some had to go,makes deciding which ones do go easier,must be hard scrapping a female plant

thanks eggroll,the macro mode is actually a jewellers loupe held over the lens of my camera then zoomed in and the hands not so steady either,i just take loads of pics,for every good pic i get i get another 2 decent ones and like 5 blurred pics,the beauty of digital heh