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HALF-HOUR!!! Damn, man... i only can stay in that state for 5-10 minutes at most, and only while the unmentionable's effect lasts... without it, only meditating with help of weed, i only got some glimpses which lasted only seconds... and they were very weaker, and not enough for making a lasting impression... i could only recognize that i was in the same "enlightened" state i knew, but it was way too fleeting...
It is still incredibly difficult to stay in that state for more then a half-hour. And even that is truly rare for me. It happened more often when I smoked more, but I don't really like smoking too much as I find it doesn't help my spiritual development. It's a great tool and helped to jump start my "unlearning", but too much of anything is a hindrance in my book. A great way to stay in that state for longer periods is to accept where you are at the present moment. That means accept your present circumstances wherever you may be and whatever you may be feeling. If you long for enlightenment, then accept that, don't resist it saying in your mind, "I shouldn't be feeling this way". Accept that you feel that way and surrender to it. I also find noticing the space between things a great way to stay in that state. What I mean is, look at anything, a book, a statue, a tree, a sound even. Notice that whatever it is came from nothing and will return to nothing eventually. Sound is a better example because it comes into existence from nothing and exist for a moment in nothing and returns to nothing almost as fast as it came into existence. I find it helpful to notice this and to try and feel that space as best as possible. That means not thinking about it, but letting the space be and whatever is in that space be as well.

so i surely admire greatly that monks that sit and meditate for long hours, even days, until reach this state, only by use of the mind, without even some weed to help them... THAT is determination and persistence... only we, who know how hard it is, can recognize and admire properly this feats of them.
True, I agree. It is truly amazing, but they are really no different then you are deep down.


The Bible continues, and says that only after eating it they realized they were naked. But if there were not an ego, they wouldnt be able to separate their bodies from the outside world. For them, it would be the same thing, or at least, parts of the same thing, and not one "me, here" and "everything else, there". And so their nakedness would be only more one part of the nature, and not something important, as it become when they know that their "mes" were naked.
And after having an ego they would inavoidably trasmit it for their children, as it would be impossible for a person be raised by parents having an ego without also developing a ego. It would explain the fact that "all men were made sinners by Adam".
Of course i can be quite wrong. I dont know. But for me it makes all the sense.
I agree as well. It makes sense.

Well... while i stopped to deliberately try to astral project, i still do it during my dreams. If i were to use the correct naming, i would have to call what i do of etheric projection, instead astral projection, cause i never entered (consciously) the astral plane, but only remained in the physical (or etherical) plane, the one which more resembles the "real" (physical) world. And fortunately i dont remember being bothered by any spirits, entities or whatever... anyway, i never meant to do it as means of reaching enlightenment, but mainly for curiosity, for the desire of see the hidden things beyond the physical plane we see and live on... but until today i didnt succeed in being anywhere "beyond" the physical plane, or rather, i dont remember of anything about it, even if probably i (as all of us) already have been "there" a lot.
Yeah, I've heard that when we dream we enter the astral realm. What's beyond the etherical plane? I know there are other planes, but I'm not sure what they are called.
Dream of the iris Reviewed by Dream of the iris on . cannabis and out-of-body experiences i am looking for some input from people with out-of-body experiences (OBE)... earlier i filled a hot bath and had a smoke of some mid's, nothing special. as i got stoned i felt very focused in my concentration. i heard a ringing in my ears. as i focused on the ringing it brought me to an even deeper sense of relaxation and concentration. i started hearing a buzzing in my ears. it reminded me of some things i had read about OBE's earlier though i have no practical experience with it. so Rating: 5