cannabis and out-of-body experiences

[Coelho]

THE enlightenment doesn't really exist. If it did, then you wouldn't be able to experience it because it would be something so remarkable that you would constantly try to live up to these false expections. This is the illusion that so many people have fallen into. That state is very achievable in this lifetime and you had a true glimpse of it. The fact that you even glimpsed it is proof enough that it is not something remarkable and something that has to be "achieved". If you think this, you will always be chasing an imaginary dream that doesn't really exist.

Man... while i understand it, i cant help of being a bit disappointed... since long ago i wished to be enlightened, thinking it would be a great thing, like angels coming from the sky (lol ), something "mystic" indeed... and now i learn that i was already enlightened... not that it diminishes the experience itself, as it keeps being uncomprehensible and mind staggering, but i somehow feel like if i had lost a goal i was chasing since long. And it brings the question: and now? What to do from now?

When people are working on themselves they may be trying to achieve it, but they are ultimately fooling themselves when they think they are "achieving" something. It is not about achieving. It is about realizing that what they "wanted" they already had.

Thats SO true... i remember when i was in this state i would feel completly peaceful, complete, indeed like if i had everything i would wish... i can say in that moments i was as happy and contented as one can be, for just being alive and breathing... it seemed like if breathing was the only thing that really mattered, and i could breath as much as i wished... so in that moments i was really satisfied, and it was amazing...

So when you meditate, that's great. Because ultimately, you need to work on yourself, not in order to "acheive" anything. But in order to practice stilling the mind so that your natural state can come out. In reality, you never achieved anything, but you actually "downgraded" back to your natural state.

Ramana Marashi said it like this. "Enlightenment is an unlearning".

Indeed... during this states i would also feel like if i had remembered something forgotten LONG ago, something buried very very deep, something very primitive,very basic... but i cant say or even figure out what it was...

Achieving something implies ego and that is exactly what you want to avoid.

The ego... the damned ego... even if its a very enjoyable experience, i (my ego maybe?) always am afraid to enter this states... even if just after ive been there i always say to myself "i SHOULD do it more often", there is something that stops me... i always find an excuse to only enjoy the high of weed, without using the unnameable and reaching this "enlightened" state... is my ego fearing its death? Is it who is trying to avoid me reaching the enlightenment? I would like to know, and how to ovecome it...

Coelho Reviewed by Coelho on 08-29-2008. cannabis and out-of-body experiences i am looking for some input from people with out-of-body experiences (OBE)... earlier i filled a hot bath and had a smoke of some mid's, nothing special. as i got stoned i felt very focused in my concentration. i heard a ringing in my ears. as i focused on the ringing it brought me to an even deeper sense of relaxation and concentration. i started hearing a buzzing in my ears. it reminded me of some things i had read about OBE's earlier though i have no practical experience with it. so Rating: 5