Red light cameras are just a continuation of the erosion of the natural rights of all Americans.

Most states already can require drivers to submit to a breathalizer test upon request - if the driver refuses, they can lose their license and can even jailed ... some states even allow the person to *physically* forced to give a sample - be it breath, urine, or more often blood.

And it makes NO difference if the person is actually drunk or not - a driver is, in layman's terms, assumed guilty; the poster of this thread hit the title right on

How can that be possible ... the govt uses the logic that driving is a privilege - when I was younger, I too bought into that logic ... however, such logic is faulty because if driving is a privilege, then is biking, walking, etc too? ... all of those activities are often done on public streets too.

For folks who buys into the driving is a privilege logic, go to a rural area and see how long one can go without a car; many employers will not hire people who don't have car transportation.

More fundamentally, simply living in a house, etc can be considered a privilege - the government has eminent domain over *all* property (any property "owner" who doesn't think so - see what happens when you don't pay your taxes - yep, say bye bye to your property; an illusion anyways, since the govt owns all land) ... so in essance, merely living in a house, etc could be considered a privilege ...

Point is that if "privilege" is all it takes for the govt to justify assuming one is guilty until show otherwise, the collective basic natural human rights of Americans is already long gone ...

The reality of Kings and Peasants is still as real now as it ever was ... really digressed in this post - point is that ultimately, one has to be aware of their rights and *publicly* defend them like slipnslide087 is going to do by fighting that ticket - wish you the best

A few tips when challenging the ticket ...

* Challenging who is driving is likely *NOT* the best approach for various reasons ... ie. they could easily challenge you by asking "If that's not you, then who is it?" ... "Really, you don't know them?" "Did you file a stolen car report with the police?" etc...

* Google around and see what other folks have used to challenge such tickets.

* Research the laws in your state - was the red light camera properly certified?, is it properly installed/aimed?, -is the yellow light timing too short?, -is the camera properly syncronized; perhaps the camera took the picture when the light was only yellow?

* Was the light green when you entered the intersection? -if so, then it doesn't matter if you went through the red light or not ... a car already in an intersection may continue through; clear the intersection.

* Were you driving straight through ... or were you turning? This relates to above - ie. if you were making a left-hand turn, then going through on red should not be surprising since one often has to wait for opposing traffic to clear.

None of this is legal advice of any kind, but I hope it's helpful nevertheless ... and again I wish you the best

Ron

p.s. let us know what eventually happens.