ithoughtiknewitall, if you don't make mistakes you are not going to learn, i have learnt propably the hard way.....that's the most basic rule i guess......anyway.....i haven't lost the 5 plants....their growth was stunted and have started to show some development over the past few days.....in 3 days ,sunday, i start flowering......9 all female plants seem too many for my little space 5x3.....tomorrow,friday, my digi cam arrives and i will be posting photos.....hopefully you guys can post some comments on them....