Hermaphroditic male

[muordeeb]

This is a male c99/apollo11 plant. It's been in flower for 2 wks. I kept it because I want seeds. I just noticed what looked like female pistils growing right next to the male organ. Is this a normal occurance with male plants or is it a hermaphrodite?

muordeeb Reviewed by muordeeb on 11-27-2007. Hermaphroditic male This is a male c99/apollo11 plant. It's been in flower for 2 wks. I kept it because I want seeds. I just noticed what looked like female pistils growing right next to the male organ. Is this a normal occurance with male plants or is it a hermaphrodite? Rating: 5

[JerzeeAmbeez]

Yes! you have a hermi! but a hermi, when you mix the pollen with another female you will get mostly feminized seeds so good luck how many seeds depends on you but save the pollen in a lil jar or bagy in case you want to use it again

[Rusty Trichome]

If you did not purposefully stress the plant to go hermie, it may well pass the hermie trait along to all of the seeds it makes. This means you will most likely end up with females that also put out male parts. That is not really good, lol.

I have stressed (on purpose) many fems to force male flowers, and have never (yet) had problems with the resultant seeds showing hermie traits, but have never even thought of doing it backwards. (well...backwards to me, lol)

Here's what I think I know:
When a stressed female puts out pollen sacks, the pollen it produces has no male chromosomes, so seeds come out as mostly female. To me, it would make sense that if you stress a male to produce fem parts, the resultant seeds would be mostly male, as there would be no female chromosomes.
I'm not a breeder, nor a biologist, tho, and am interested in other folks responses to this.

[stinkyattic]

Yes! you have a hermi! but a hermi, when you mix the pollen with another female you will get mostly feminized seeds

No, this is just wrong.

A male plant has chromosomes XY.
A female has XX.
A female that has gone herm is still XX and so is her pollen.
A male that has gone herm is still XY and so is his pollen.
Pollen from a male hermaphrodite then will logically give the same m/f ratio as a normal male when crossed with a female:

XX x XY will give XX or XY and the ratios expressed will be 'normal'.

It's not unusual for a male to go herm when you've had him around long enough. Just since you are seeing it so early in flower, be extra careful when checking the offspring for balls later.

Anecdotally, I've heard mumblings that using a male herm will yield more bud mass and/or more potent bud... but I take every rumour I read on the internet with a big ol' salt lick. I'm skeptical that this is true, and even were it true, that it woudl be noticeable to the home grower.

[JerzeeAmbeez]

I don't know about you guys but everytime I've crossed a hermi with a female about 85% of my seeds are female with no sight of balls, 15% are hermi but this is when a female turns hermi I only had one or two males that turned hermi I just assumed that males don't turn into females just that the female hairs werent seen or didn't show up yet being most boys show sex before females
I guess I'm wrong...

[stinkyattic]

That has to be a female gone hermie to produce feminized seeds, and the offspring should be 99% or more female as the pollen from a herm F has no Y chromosome.

[JerzeeAmbeez]

So stinky, Being that your saying a male can turn into a hermi and a female can turn into a hermi..... How can you tell them a part? By which sex comes first?

[JerzeeAmbeez]

For example, I had a hermi that started showing both sex at the same time it had equal parts of both sex? (I don't want to confuse anyone now)

[stinkyattic]

By which shows first- which is predominant. You may see at some point a plant that appears to be entirely monoecious, and carries significant flowers of both sexes. The chromosomes in those? Hell, it's anyone's guess. haha. Plus the possibility of having an extra chromosome exists... it gets messy.

[JerzeeAmbeez]

ohhh.... ok I gotcha see learn something new everyday ..... so deeb here has a male hermi...