Thanks alot folks, I told my buddy everything and he was in motion the last I knew. He has been using just plain tap water to flush with, and water with. He is also going to use liquid karma and neem oil. He said that he read that you used that also stinky, wants to know what kind of pattern to water and feed with. Should he water everytime with the botinacare fert, that's what the lable says. He is going to start with a 1/4 strength for the first gallon given his previous episode with the soil. How often should he use the liquid karma, neem oil, and what about molasses? I said something to him about it and he acted like I was crazy. I know that I have seen stuff about it before. Sorry for getting off topic. Thanks for your patience.