I was actually going to explain the cloner situation before I left earlier but ran out of time im sorry I know I look like an abusive father but Im not I swear lol. When I cut these clones 5 days ago I left in a rush and forgot to plug in the cloner pump so when I checked them 12 hours later I found a cloner with 20 clones that were flat as paper and what I thought was dead...some superthrive foliar and turning on the machine slowly brought them back to life I never ever ever wouldve thought theyd live but they actually picked back up. I usually do trim the leaf tips to lighten the weight the clones support and with the superthrive foliar on my mom before cutting the stems keep them up like bamboo. I definately agree with you tho that having a healthier clone absolutely leads to a better grow/yeild and quality Ive done the table with big thick stems to start and they were the most vigorous Ive ever had...The smaller shitty clones definatly take longer and dont produce optimum results...I am actually cutting 20 more babies in about 10 minutes, after they recover from the beheading 2m ill put up a pic of what they "should" look like as you described.