Ron Paul on Abortion and Stem Cell Research

[Psycho4Bud]

He's not twisting a thing. You keep pounding his personal opinions to use against the guy, but the point your quoted poster is making is that he's not instituting these personal opinions into federal law.

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Sanctity of Life Act of 2007'.


SEC. 2. FINDING AND DECLARATION.

(a) Finding- The Congress finds that life exists from conception.

(b) Declaration- Upon the basis of this finding, and in the exercise of the powers of the Congress--

(1) the Congress declares that--

(A) human life shall be deemed to exist from conception, without regard to race, sex, age, health, defect, or condition of dependency; and

(B) the term `person' shall include all human life as defined in subparagraph (A); and

(2) the Congress recognizes that each State has the authority to protect lives of unborn children residing in the jurisdiction of that State.
GovTrack: H.R. 2597: Text of Legislation

He sure is trying like hell to do it though..........

Have a good one!:s4:

[epxroot]

Work?? Hell, I was just ready to fire one up. I'll make sure to take a toke for ya.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

I'd sure the hell appreciate that!!

[Zimzum]

(2) the Congress recognizes that each State has the authority to protect lives of unborn children residing in the jurisdiction of that State.

Just because a state has "authority" does not mean it has to be enforced. California state and local police generally leave medical marijuana dispensaries alone. Yet marijuana is illegal in the eyes of the feds regardless. You need to allow states to fine tune what laws there voters want enacted, like Prop. 215 in CA. Else whats the point of having states if everyone walks and talks the same? You and me both know that America is too diverse in our values/morals/whatevers that just because it might be a good idea in one state doesn't make it right in another. What if Massachusetts tried to force gay marriage on every other state? What if DC tried to ban handguns at a national level? Maybe Nevada can push for nationwide legal prostitution. Ron doesn't want to ban abortions at a national level, just to give states and their voters the right to vote on issues. The biggest part of Paul's abortion views that I agree with is the fact he wants to bar federal funds from subsidizing clinics and hospitals for the purpose of abortion.

P4B why did you omit the whole text of section 2(a)?

(a) Finding- The Congress finds that present day scientific evidence indicates a significant likelihood that actual human life exists from conception.

[Psycho4Bud]

(2) the Congress recognizes that each State has the authority to protect lives of unborn children residing in the jurisdiction of that State.

Just because a state has "authority" does not mean it has to be enforced. California state and local police generally leave medical marijuana dispensaries alone. Yet marijuana is illegal in the eyes of the feds regardless. You need to allow states to fine tune what laws there voters want enacted, like Prop. 215 in CA. Else whats the point of having states if everyone walks and talks the same? You and me both know that America is too diverse in our values/morals/whatevers that just because it might be a good idea in one state doesn't make it right in another. What if Massachusetts tried to force gay marriage on every other state? What if DC tried to ban handguns at a national level? Maybe Nevada can push for nationwide legal prostitution. Ron doesn't want to ban abortions at a national level, just to give states and their voters the right to vote on issues. The biggest part of Paul's abortion views that I agree with is the fact he wants to bar federal funds from subsidizing clinics and hospitals for the purpose of abortion.

P4B why did you omit the whole text of section 2(a)?

(a) Finding- The Congress finds that present day scientific evidence indicates a significant likelihood that actual human life exists from conception.

That's not the way it reads from the link:
GovTrack: H.R. 2597: Text of Legislation
I try to keep the copy and paste honest.......this is dated June 6,2007.

I don't know how it would be handled on a state level. If the Fed determined, by this bill, would it be considered murder? Surely federal funds for hospitals that did this practice, or hired doctors that did, would be cut off.

Have a good one!:s4:

[420izzle]

@:20 RP- "I consider abortion an act of violence"
@:30 RP - "All acts of violence are handled by state law"
@:51 RP- "therefore it should be handled at the state level and I don't want the federal government to do it"
Then goes on talking about not using tax money to fund abortions

I would support eliminating Roe vs Wade and I'm pro choice. If you look at the "We the People act", Paul was trying to bar federal courts from interfering in state matters. This includes abortion. If Texas wants to ban it, let them, and the feds should have no say. If Massachusetts want to legalize up to 9 month abortions while supporting gay marriage, let them, and again the feds should have no say. Now if you feel abortion should be legal and you live in Texas, your always free to move elsewhere. Ron maybe pro-life but he wouldn't hold a gun to your head telling you no. Same with marijuana, no federal law should require it to be legal or otherwise.

Well Said Sir! And when I said: Haters of Dr. Paul, I mean those like pyscho4bud.

[Psycho4Bud]

Well Said Sir! And when I said: Haters of Dr. Paul, I mean those like pyscho4bud.

LMAO! So if ya don't agree with ones politics all of a sudden you hate the individual.

Still waiting for few of ya to show us how you feel about issues instead of the usual ramble......http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/...president.html

Have a good one!:s4:

[Zimzum]

That's not the way it reads from the link:
GovTrack: H.R. 2597: Text of Legislation
I try to keep the copy and paste honest.......this is dated June 6,2007.

Sorry P4B you are right. For some reason or another when I went to govtrack it had showed me HR 1094, not the one you referenced. They are both the same really but HR 2597 came out a few months later. Very minor changes. I don't understand the reasoning behind summiting the same thing twice in less then a 4 month period.

HR 1094 VS. HR 2597

[Psycho4Bud]

He probably had a new earmark to include with it........j/k

Really though, I've found that these things are constantly being revised........must be to try to bring in more votes would be my guess.

This isn't his only one pertaining to this issue though.....just the only one that I've really looked at. Maybe you could find something else a bit less damning on the issue?

Have a good one!:s4: