Your my hero PH! Saving US all from Tyranny the way you are makes you just one hell of a guy in my book. Why your a true patriot!

"you didn't even address anything i said."

Look again man, I most certainly did address what you said. Why would you open your reply with such an obviously false statement?

"we have former senators and presidents funding nazis, studying their propaganda, using the propaganda, dozens and dozens of nazi business' assets seized even after WWII...laundering nazi money through banks, providing them with the services to kill their people through US corporations, the same system in place today...this is the tip of the iceberg, operation paperclip and IBM."

Oh my god!!! Your kidding? Holy sheep shit, why didn't you say so sooner? Hell, that makes all the difference in the world right there. Operation paper clip and ibm says it all. Damn them, damn them all to hell for their conspiring against Freedom and democracy the way they are!

"but i know, nothing can be known about anything, things are basically okay, no problems, the constitution and bill of rights are intact, and if they aren't, no one can do anything to stop what's not happening from happening...so let's just stop discussing it even as the dictatorship becomes obviouly apparent."

Oh you poor thing! So upset that your just going to give up? Wow, what a quiter you are. You seem to think anyone that doesn't agree with you is just the opposite of you. Your sarcasim is nothing more then shallow lies trying to decieve others into believing something that is not true.

"so let's just stop discussing it even as the dictatorship becomes obviouly apparent."

With that your implying that I think you shouldn't talk about it, when you know good and well that's not true. Of course you can talk about whatever you want. Of course I will talk too. You posted an artical that I thought described a bit more then just Freedom and democracy being marginalized. I also feel you do the same thing, just with other words. Should I have said nothing in response to your post if I felt like I should say something? Do you feel you have a right to say whatever you want in a public place without someone saying something back to you about what you have said?

"i'll just accept the cameras and toll roads and takeover of access TV and transponders in my car and people taking microchips and NAFTA and the FTAA and world government and world taxation and world courts and world this and world that and sticking people in grease cages for days without charges or trial after being rounded up indiscriminately in orange fencing, because the only way to stop terrorism is by doing that. those darn RNC protesters got what they deserved i guess, a taste of the new freedom."

No you won't! You will keep on living in your imaginary world chasing butterflys with no net trying to catch one in flight. The fact that your denying an obvious tactic your using your self says to me that your totaly in denial and you can't face the fact that your doing exactly the same thing bushy is doing.

"being sprayed with mace after cops are ordered to attack innocent people after standing by and watching the fed hired thugs destroy a city is actually freedom, who am i to say that's not freedom. no protest zones, no stickers or pins with anti-WTO messages, that's freedom too. how dare i say it's not. there's a whole bunch of historical comparisons there too."

Tell me oh historical one, when does the US start it's concentration camps, tanks in the streets, and marshal law? Don't give me no BS about this taking a long time. Good grief, it's been happening for hundreds of years to here you tell it. If they are not ready now, what is it that will make them ready to do it. Whatever is it they are going to do anyway? Oh yeah, round up everyone and put them in camps. Are these the same camps we talked about in the past? My guess is that they are the same camps. Those that do not remember the past, are condemed to repeat it. Do you remember our last conversation about prison camps PH?

"too bad people here in austin have found out that if you bitch and complain enough and have enough an informed citizenry, the takeover becomes a bit more difficult and you can defeat blatantly tyrannical and unconstitutional activities."

Really? Is that why your wonderful city locks people up for a joint? You must not be bitching loud enough, your city doesn't seem to be listening, and hasn't been listening for a long time.

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