Are Ron Paul Supporters â??Constitutional Terroristsâ?�?

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Yeah Christ we need more laws written by mindless idiots.We have so few laws now.Just start writing more crap filling up the law libraries with mors shit for the attorney's to read. I tried to take a picture of the brand new Homeland Security building in Seattle. I was standing across the street on a public sidewalk and they sent 3 security pinheads out to run me through the wringer and tell me I can't take pictures of public buildings. Fucking christ.What country are we living in now?

By the way if I ca sneak some pictures you otta see this monstrosity they built. Nillions of dollars pissed away on a completely worthless endeavor.

You should get some homies together and do some drive-by snapshots. Stick it to the man!

[killerweed420]

I'll try and get some pictures next week. Its a ridiculously fancy building.5 stories I think. What the hell does Homeland Security to do in Seattle. Must be just a hot bed of terrorists floating around the city just waiting to blow shit up.lol

[r0k]

Chill out Pisshead. In case you didn't read my entire post, I'll point out that it was just a side note and I agree with you on the main topic.

Man.. I haven't laughed that hard since like an hour ago :S2:

"Chill out Pisshead" LOL!! I thought you were referring to p4b, when I realized we have a user named pisshead amongst us.

I'm stoned lol :thumbsup:

[mfqr]

Look at the list and state which group ya feel shouldn't be watched a bit:
Are You a Terrorost

Have a good one!:s4:

Haha, I guess that makes me a terrorist, since I support the constitution. The only thing they left out are Marijuana users and cultivators, since Marijuana funds terrorism, remember? Well, John Walters said that... he must be right.

[PharmaCan]

Good point but according to this, the bill was VERY carefully written:


SEC. 899A. DEFINITIONS.

`For purposes of this subtitle:

`(1) COMMISSION- The term `Commission' means the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism established under section 899C.

`(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.

`(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

`(4) IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE- The term `ideologically based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs.
GovTrack: H.R. 1955: Text of Legislation

Have a good one!:s4:

All of the items above, particularly #3, accurately describe many of the actions of the Bush administration/neo-cons in their furtherance of their totally fictitious "War on Terror". Remember, if we had a real "War on Terror", or borders would be protected. Until our borders are protected, Bush's imaginary "War on Terror" is nothing more than an attempt "...to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."

PC :smokin:

[LaidZeppelin]

HR 1955 - read it. Its legislation against Americans. Its unneccessary to enfore the law or security and mearly labels American citizens as terrorists. It allows the government to prosecute thought crimes.

[LaidZeppelin]

Thats not the point. If an American citizen is commiting a crime, he should be given due process and given a fair trial. Thats why the nuremberg trials were handeled the way they were. There was transparency in government and even though everyone knew these men were war criminal they were treated descently and allowed America to maintain moral highground. If your happy with secret government, secret prisons, torture, and habeas corpus being shit on then you are the one who isnt patriotic. How we are prosecuting this war on terror will destroy our credibility as a fair and honest country and the idea that you support American citizens not being granted their constitutional rights is obsurd. When anyone is labeled an "Enemy combatant" which is what this legislation allows their property will be searched without a warrant, they will be arrested, interrogated without a lawyer, tortured, and detained for probably a couple years in solitary confinment. This is a way to stiffle dissent from government.

[LaidZeppelin]

HR 1955 â?? Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007
Sponsored by Rep. Jane Harmon [CA-36] - ties to AIPAC ( Whatâ??s for Dinner â?? Newsweek, Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenb. October 25th, 2006

4/19/2007--Introduced.
Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 - Amends the Homeland Security Act of 2002 to add provisions concerning the prevention of homegrown terrorism (terrorism by individuals born, raised, or based and operating primarily in the United States). Directs the Secretary of Homeland Security to: (1) establish a grant program to prevent radicalization (use of an extremist belief system for facilitating ideologically-based violence) and homegrown terrorism in the United States; (2) establish or designate a university-based Center of Excellence for the Study of Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States; and (3) conduct a survey of methodologies implemented by foreign nations to prevent radicalization and homegrown terrorism. Prohibits the Department of Homeland Security's efforts to prevent ideologically-based violence and homegrown terrorism from violating the constitutional and civil rights, and civil liberties, of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents.

SEC. 899A. DEFINITIONS.

`For purposes of this subtitle:

`(1) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

`(2) RADICALIZATION- The term `radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically-based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.

`(3) IDEOLOGICALLY-BASED VIOLENCE- The term `ideologically-based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs.


SEC. 899B. FINDINGS.

`(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating ideologically-based violence and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.

`(8) Any measure taken to prevent ideologically-based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States should not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights and civil liberties of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents.

See. Section 206 Patriot Act

`SEC. 899C. GRANT PROGRAM TO PREVENT IDEOLOGICALLY-BASED VIOLENCE AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM IN THE UNITED STATES.

`(b) Grants Authorized- The Secretary may award grants to States to enhance homeland security by preventing radicalization and homegrown terrorism in at-risk populations, as determined by the Secretary.

`(c) Purpose- The purpose of the grant program is to prevent, disrupt, and mitigate the effects of radicalization and prevent ideologically-based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States.

`(e) Use of Funds- Grants awarded under this section shall be used by the States to award to agencies and organizations, including but not limited to, social services agencies, community-based groups, educational institutions and non-governmental organizations as sub-grantees to address radicalization and homegrown terrorism by--

`(1) developing best practices, standards and protocols to conduct outreach to various populations that are at-risk for radicalization and homegrown terrorism;

`(2) assisting with educational outreach, social services, and integration into society;

`(3) program planning and management and strategy formulation and strategic planning;

`(4) promote civic engagement and community outreach programs;

`(5) any other uses determined by the Secretary to be necessary to prevent radicalization and homegrown terrorism.

SEC. 899F. PROTECTING CIVIL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES WHILE PREVENTING IDEOLOGICALLY-BASED VIOLENCE AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.

`(a) In General- The Department of Homeland Security's efforts to prevent ideologically-based violence and homegrown terrorism as described herein shall not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, and civil liberties of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents.

[eg420ne]

damn terrorist, they still have control of our WhiteHouse{looking bothways}..:S1:

[pisshead]

Thats not the point. If an American citizen is commiting a crime, he should be given due process and given a fair trial. Thats why the nuremberg trials were handeled the way they were. There was transparency in government and even though everyone knew these men were war criminal they were treated descently and allowed America to maintain moral highground. If your happy with secret government, secret prisons, torture, and habeas corpus being shit on then you are the one who isnt patriotic. How we are prosecuting this war on terror will destroy our credibility as a fair and honest country and the idea that you support American citizens not being granted their constitutional rights is obsurd. When anyone is labeled an "Enemy combatant" which is what this legislation allows their property will be searched without a warrant, they will be arrested, interrogated without a lawyer, tortured, and detained for probably a couple years in solitary confinment. This is a way to stiffle dissent from government.

well put, exactly right.