Hydro Nute Problem with pics... Help Needed

[Weedhound]

Yes, update when you can. Do your ppms usually go up, down or stay the same through the course of your grow?

[MVP]

I try to keep them in a range +/- 200 PPM max. From what I remember they seem to increase as the water level goes down, but I'm not absolutely certain.

Today I made up and printed a tracking sheet and attached it to a clip board in the grow room so that I can track it daily. I know I should have been doing this earlier, but I was flying well by the seat of my pants until now...

[Weedhound]

Oh I never do stuff until I run into a problem or somebody (like my hydro guy or Rhizome) tells me to....which doesn't mean I know WHY I'm doing it...

You used your reg tap water before with no issues right? If so I think it' wise to go back to that the way as you did.

Think about increasing bloom nutes over the next week....400 isn't a ton. I like 700ppm in bloom nutes.


And I WOULD consider flushing them at some point if you are not seeing an improvement.

[sfcfs07]

kinda looks like nute burn, check your water temps too if they get above 72 you might have oxygen issues, bghydro sells these 24" bendy bubble wands they did wonders for my recirculating dwc

[MVP]

Hey All, I found a pretty cool link to some old Overgrow.com info on Nute Deficiencies. I think I am MG def. due to lockout from the hard water.

NUTRIENT DEFICIENCIES LINK WITH PICTURES!!

I am treating with epsom via foliar and water methods. I'll update in a day or two with results......

[Weedhound]

Question;

Isn't this the same water you've always used with no problems? Why would it suddenly be causing a def? Or is it NOT the water you've always used?

[MVP]

It's the same water, but I changed the nutes by building the solution by PPM rather than just the directions on the package. After that I encountered problems when I decreased my base nutes since the micro and sweet pumped up the PPM too much.

Since then I have been foliar feeding with epsom salt in RO water and flushed the res with Flora Kleen for a day. The leaves were turning up and "praying" for MG according to the pics and nute def article I posted earlier in the thread.

Now I am running the following:

3 gallons RO water + 1 gallon tap water (96 PPM)
Pure Blend Pro - Bloom, 60ml (630 PPM)
Liquid Karma 20ml (100 PPM)
Sweet 10ml (50 PPM)
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Total PPM = 885
PH = 5.8

I threw them into Flower on 10/1 but the nute def problem has virtually halted growth. They are nice and sugary but not all cloudy and no amber yet. I fear they are severely stunt and feel like chopping them down in frustration. I won't do that - I'm pretty level headed (most of the time) - but they are not bouncing back yet and I have others that will need this room in 2-3 weeks.....

[Weedhound]

Hmmm......MVP I must say if you using RO water, you need CalMAg. I know about foliar sprays blah blah but they are only a substitue. STRONGLY consider flushing your medium young man. I keep my plants at 50/50 CalMag and base nutes to said level...then supplements are extra...until about 3-4 weeks into flower before I drop CalMAg back to 300 and THERE IT STAYS (all RO water....but you're using 3/4 RO....) Read back through my thread about the K def in my rhinos....I am placing my bets on that.....using LESS mg for an mg def (even with sprays.....doesn't work for me....) PS....are you using a zyme product?

BUT....I hope it works for you.. I'll check back.

PSS...PROMISE me you will AT LEAST run a flush before you dump them and then see if they improve. :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

If my plants were six weeks into flower here is where I would be #wise

RO Water.........15ppm
CalMag....300ppm
Pro Bloom 350
Hydroplex.350 (these are both blooming nutes and together equal 700ppm)
Liquid K 7ml/gallon
Sweet 7ml/gallon

and my numbers would be about 1350 total. Your entire ppms are too low iimo.....especially for six weeks in.

[MVP]

PSS...PROMISE me you will AT LEAST run a flush before you dump them and then see if they improve. :thumbsup:

Yeah, I flushed them on 11/23 by pumping Flora Kleen over the media and running it in the bubbler for 24 hours. Also I am foliar feeding only as a supplement to get more MG to the plants.

I will read your K def report in the Rhino thread and see what I can take away from that situation.

I'm gonna take cuts later today from a MK mom and I'll have my Mom take pics so you can get the visual on cloning. Gotta run to the hydro store, I'll be back in a while. Hmm, Cal-Mag...

Anyhow, thanks for the input... I was running ~ 1300 -1400 in the flower room before the nute def hit me. I then scaled it back to figure out WTF was happening but willl be back up to that range soon.

Zyme? Help me understand here - is that the LIquid Karma?