Thanks for chiming in Rusty. That looks like a good idea with the copper wire. It's good for a lot of things, and that's what I used to make the frame for my first stadium screen. I'm not sure that I would want to have to use tools to tie down my branches. I know you don't do many, but when you're doing 5-10 ties every day, or something like 25 at the beginning, it's real nice to just be able to grab a twistie tie and bend it with your fingers. Your's definitely look more heavy duty, and maybe it's just the kind of thing a person needs for tying down those big MJ tree trunks. Looks like you have special ones for holding a stem away, or up, and special ones for holding a stem down.