Opie Yutts I need your help friend

[Opie Yutts]

Well at least you have a good attitude about it. For next time: 1) don't use any rockwool. 2) have one res for all the plants. 3) if you still have that creeping PH problem I would definately consider building the automatic doser.

[GrowMe]

Thanks again opie but don't confuse that last post for a good attitude..

I'm a little pissed considering we've already spent close to 200 bucks on misc crap..

I'm not giving up just yet..i couldn't bring myself to just let them perish without a fight..So i guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens..i'll get some pics up later..Everything seems ok except the damned PH..

Opie as for next time.. what do you use instead of rockwool? You think this is the cause of PH bitchiness..

Also, is there any threads on this board (or elsewhere for that matter) that have pictures of your setup or one that you would like to use?????

I thought the bucket thing was a good idea but is a hella pain in the ass to change solution..

Any ideas are greatly appreciated..

THanks

[GrowMe]

Oh yeah i forgot to tell you..in a previous post you mentioned going to bottled water..

From day one i've been using gallons of distilled water..Walmart distilled water measures pretty much perfect as far as PH goes after i add nutes.. Winn Dixie, aquafina, or our tap water is way off so i've just been buying gallons to save the hassle of adjusting right off the bat...

You think distilled water is bad for some reason????

Or

You think the PH problem is still in effect from the hydroton, or rockwool????????

The roots are kicking ass so what problems will i run into with this continous PH issue...

THanks again for everything guys/gals!!!

[Opie Yutts]

Opie as for next time.. what do you use instead of rockwool? You think this is the cause of PH bitchiness..

Also, is there any threads on this board (or elsewhere for that matter) that have pictures of your setup or one that you would like to use?????

Instead of rockwool to start plants from seed, you could use Rapid Rooters, bark plugs, coco fiber, a sponge, a 50% perlite/vermiculite mixture, or anything that will hold the plant up once roots take hold. I think stinky attic recommends the bark plugs, but I've never tried them. I root clones in an aerocloner, then put them directly into clay pellets.

My closet is all tore apart and there are not really pictures of it up yet. What I am doing in the mean time is a temporary Emily's Garden set up, which is very good for beginners, or anyone who wants to keep it simple yet achieve a great yield.
http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-gr...-training.html

[Opie Yutts]

I've never heard of distilled water being bad. As long as you end up with 5.5 PH and a reasonable PPM, the water shouldn't matter. It is possible that the water you are using has fluctuation problems. Be sure to look for water that says it has been reverse osmosised, then add CalMag to replace the good stuff that was stripped out. Some bottled water is RO, and some is from a pond or something. If I were in your shoes I might consider trying my tap water to see if that does better than what you've been buying. Just neutralize chlorine with drops if it is city water.

Hydroton does not cause PH problems, but rockwool does. Who knows if your problem is RW or not, but I would use something else next time to be safe.

[GrowMe]

Ordered my 200 watt 2700K CFL today..Hopefully get it by this end up this next week and go to flower then..That will be 6 weeks of veg for 2 plants and 5 or so weeks for the other 2 plants..There is a definate leader, one that looks to be a week behind and then 2 that look to be about 2 - 2 1/2 weeks behind..I should be able to see gender soon right?

I had a question.....I had extra germed seeds so i put them in solo cups with peat moss and only one survived..I had it in with the others and then put it to a bigger pot and added some top soil and put it outside...its been outside for probably 2 weeks now and it seems to like it...ALmost looks healthier than my indoor..NOW the question..I'm not sure exactly how much room i'm going to need for each plant and including hte one outside i have 5..hopefully we'll get atleast 2 females but if theres more i think i'll only have room for 3 possibly 4..What you think?

Next question was can i bring the outdoor plant in when i switch to flowering schedule? As long as its a female of course..

Anyone ever do that before???

For the lights i'll have 200 watts at 2700k and 104 watts of the 5500k bulbs..Do you think 304 watts is sufficient to yield some decent buds???

Anyone ever use these BIG CFLS????


THanks everyone!!!!!!!!!!!

[Opie Yutts]

quote=GrowMe

There is a definate leader, one that looks to be a week behind and then 2 that look to be about 2 - 2 1/2 weeks behind..I should be able to see gender soon right?
You can search presex or presexing if you are interested in that sort of thing. I've always sexed a couple weeks after going to flower. I toss the males and make mothers from females, and clones from mothers. No seeds if at all possible.

...its been outside for probably 2 weeks now and it seems to like it
Where the heck do you have the good fortune to live that you can grow plants outside during the middle of December? If I tried that here, they would go to flower, right after freezing to death. You lucky bastard.

I'm not sure exactly how much room i'm going to need for each plant and including hte one outside i have 5..hopefully we'll get atleast 2 females but if theres more i think i'll only have room for 3 possibly 4..What you think?
Please don't take it personally, but I've been in so many different grows lately I can't remember what you are growing. You might try good seed sellers like Marijuana Seeds (cannabis, pot) shipped worldwide, to find out exactly what your variety is supposed to do on average. But one great thing about growing is that you get to decide the size and shape of your plants. You could veg for a couple years and have one plant take up your living room, or skip veg entirely and end up with more of a lollipop-lookin plant. For the first grow of any new strain it's kinda hard to tell exactly when to start flowering, as far as end size is concerned. Keep in mind though, plants will double or triple in size after going to flower. If it's getting bigger than you like, you can always cut some off. Be careful when doing this though. If you cut quite a bit (I don't know, half of it?), and keep doing it, you should consider trimming off some roots too. And generally, trimming makes more nodes with less buds per node. For a vague idea concerning the question, I mostly have been growing AK-47 and BBxNL. By the way, I completely recommend both. They are similar in stature and yield. I veg for about 6 weeks and by then the plants roughly take up an area of 2 cubic feet (1 foot wide and deep, and about 2 feet tall). I almost always do a little topping, which fills in the area with more nodes. Not topping will make the plant grow taller and skinnier, with less nodes (not necessarily less yield though). I nearly always use a screen in flower, so it's a little hard to tell, but I'm guessing my plants double in overall area after going to bloom.

Next question was can i bring the outdoor plant in when i switch to flowering schedule? As long as its a female of course..
Assuming your winters are beyond my comprehension and the plant hasn't already gone to flower, you can put it in flower when ever you want. Just don't drastically change it's environmental variables (temp, humidity) all at once.

Anyone ever do that before???
Many, many people.

For the lights i'll have 200 watts at 2700k and 104 watts of the 5500k bulbs..Do you think 304 watts is sufficient to yield some decent buds???
Absolutely. Isn't that equivalent to 800W incandescent or something? I should think that mixture and amount should produce some nice results for something like 4-6 plants. Just make sure you can take advantage of one of the great aspects of CFL, and position them so you can keep them nice and close to the plants at all stages of the game, except of course during sprouting. However watch out; the bigger the bulb, the hotter the bulb.

Anyone ever use these BIG CFLS????
Many have, I have not. I'm more of an HID guy, but my last grow I've been supplementing my HPS with a bunch of 23W 5800K CFLs.

Good luck. Keep up the good work. For such a simple concept, there's lots to learn and lots of variables, don't you think? Even the know-it-alls don't know it all.

[GrowMe]

Man Thanks sooo much Opie..It really is awesome you take your time to help others out..i'd be in the dark if it wasn't for you, and a few others..

As far as what i'm growing i really don't know..THey are from some bud that was grown outdoor..it was pretty good but am hoping it will be better if grown indoors.

This was all something i decided to do very quickly and basically jumped in blind..I germed the seeds and basically learned as i went..obviously making many mistakes that could have easily been avoided..If i would have just relaxed and learned a little before diving in head first i think these plants would be light years ahead of where they are now at 5 weeks 2 days old..

But not a big deal, i just hope they turn out to be decent plants..I was planning on vegging for about another week before swithching to flowering..and for the last week buying a 100 watt 6500K CFL..I found this biatch at Home Depot today in a different section from where i bought the 26 watters...I got raped paying 7 dollars a pieice for the little guys when this 100 watt bulb is only 16 bucks..(Mistake from hurrying into it) But anyway i'm going to add this for a week just to double the watts since i've been starving 4 plants with only 104 watts for 5 weeks..

You think that will be a good idea? And also you think they will be far enough along to go to Flower?

Sometimes i think the big one is a female cause it looks like hairs but i don't know if they are white or just light green!?!?!?!! :wtf:

So in a week once i go to flowering i can bring the outdoor plant in and it can become an indoor again correct??????? Even tho its in soil..

By the way we had to bring it in and put it in the dark side of closet tonight..cause its too cold for the first time...

I'll get back to you with pictures.. I have no idea if i should cut or do anything to them..Id hate to start trimming shit off and kill the damn things..


Thanks for everything..

[Opie Yutts]

You think that will be a good idea? And also you think they will be far enough along to go to Flower?
I always condone more lighting, but remember more light also = more heat. And yes, if you want them to be, they are ready to flower. It just depends on your goals. Some people skip veg completely, harvest more often, and get less per harvest. If you're goal is to just get through a complete harvest, then I would say you have vegged long enough. If your goal is a whole bunch of bud, I would veg at least a month longer with your additional light(s).

Sometimes i think the big one is a female cause it looks like hairs but i don't know if they are white or just light green!?!?!?!! :wtf:
Hairs are a good sign, especially if they are coming out of a little pod-type thingee.

So in a week once i go to flowering i can bring the outdoor plant in and it can become an indoor again correct??????? Even tho its in soil..
Doesn't matter in the least. Indoor, outdoor, hydro, soil. Just try not to change the climate too drastically all at once, and check very carefully for spider mites or other pests, and do not let them near your other plants.

I'll get back to you with pictures.. I have no idea if i should cut or do anything to them..Id hate to start trimming shit off and kill the damn things..
If you do cut, just don't do too much at once. The only reason you would want to cut is to get more nodes. If you cut off the main node you will get 2 or 3 new ones in it's place, and you will be topping and making bushier plants. Just make sure you don't do this in flower or within a week from flower.

[GrowMe]

Got some updated pics here..This shits fun! Just hope we get some bud after all this work..And hopefully the light gets here soon..i wanna go to flower..






I replaced one of the 26 watt 5500k CFL with a 42 watt 2700k CFL..I dropped the fuckin light right on top of one of the plants..kinda busted one of hte branches but its still attached and seems to be doing fine..Tomorrow will be 6 weeks..Do you think they are growing ok? Probably waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay behind cause of hte lights huh?

The soil one that we sat outside showed sex yesterday...Its a girl!!! :thumbsup:

I think I set in presexing without even trying..we brought her in for 2 nights and she was under the veg bulbs from 6 am to about 10 am and then went back outside for both days..

When i took her back out there yesterday or the day before i noticed some beautiful white hairs..

I REALLY REALLY HOPE the big one inside is a girl..she is so much bigger than the others, and way more undergrowth or whatever that is called..

So you said keep the outdoor plant far away from the others?? When i bring it inside for flowering?

We don't have any room for her now...i'm assuming not all 4 hydro plants are going to be females...As awesome as that would be..i'm sure i won't be so lucky...So unless theres only 1
female out of the 4 then there won't be a whole lot of room for them..they will be touching..

Is that not ok?

THanks so much for everything..!!!!!!!! :smokin: