Perceived roundaboutness in the Bible

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Forced to choose a path due to the fact that God says it's right isn't Free Choice. God wants us as Huamns to Freely Serve him.

No one's forcing them not to sin. The argument is that if on of the virtues of perfection is to abstain from sin, then a perfect being will always to choose not to sin. It's not a matter of being forced to make the right choice, it's the matter of always making the right choice. How can perfection chose to be wrong? Implying that Adam and Eve made the wrong choice means that they aren't perfect. The fact that they chose freely doesn't negate that a supposedly prefect being somehow made a choice in error, which means that they aren't perfect.

God wants people useing Freewill to Want to Love him and serve him, people would not love and want to serve him if his ways were unjustfyed.

I asked why he needed to sacrifice a person (we need to sacrifice a perfect human, you said), when He's the one who makes up the rules. I'm asking, why not just forgive the people instead of going through all this silliness.

He loves humans so much he is willing to go through all this crap and waste all this time to prove FOREVER that his ways are right.

I'm asking why it's the most logical way to approach forgiveness. In order to show me how it's logical, you need to show me the reasoning why this is the most logical route to forgiveness. You need to make an argument, not an excuse. The fact that He spent a lot of time on a really contrived version of forgiveness, doens't make a strong argument.

The Laws are not there but what the Laws were teaching are still in play.

That statement was just showing the roundaboutness of God's forgiving ways, I'm not even suggesting we should be under "old law".

Satan started the rebellion.God is not forgiveing Adam and Eve, he has done all this so we as Adams offspring have a chance to live in perfection. And the Angles to not question God Ever again

Again, I'm not asking for the story, I'm asking why God's ways of forgiveness are the most logical. I don't care about what He's done, I care about the why.

Remember this is to settle things FOREVER, and do Not forget the angles have been tested by all this also. This Test end the rebellion Forever for ALL CREATION.

Again I ask what you would do if you were in God's situation. In God's situation, if Adam and Eve disobeyed you, why would you banish them from your garden, give them the rules that God did, and make a perfect human some amount of time later to be sacrificed, when you could just forgive Adam and Eve, if that's what you truly wanted?

God is perfect and he wants people out of Freewill to Love him. If God didn't stick to his standards he would be a liar. All this that Humans have gone through is nothing compaired to Forever.

You're still not answering a single question. God *makes* the standards. If you were in the middle of dictating the laws of the universe (and for yourself), why would you make a rule that states that the only way you can forgive a sinner for breaking your rules is to banish them from eden and etcetera?

In the End Goal is billions of humans who want to serve God because he is perfect in his ways and everything he does is justice, We can love a God like that, we were created to love him out of Freewill thats what God Wanted and is going to Get when this is over.

I'm asking for the purpose of such a roundabout way of forgiving someone, that's all.

Jesus is not God! Jesus is God's Son. The 1st of all Creation. The way he has done this is perfect. God is proveing to all Creation his ways are Perfect.

Depending on who you ask, I suppose. but if He's proving to all that his ways are the most logical and perfect. You're just stating that they are perfect, but keep forgetting the "why?".

If he just Zaped Adam and Eve and Satan then people forever could say hey maybe they hade a point why did you just kill them, I bet mankind could rule them self. How would you stop it just kill everyone who questions your killings?

This is on forgiveness, remember? Why would God kill people he's trying to forgive?

Furthermore, If he "just zapped Adam and Eve" then there would be no more people, so where would they get this idea from?

If a ruler killed every man who did something he didn't like, would you love this ruler for his justice?

God does exactly that in some cases.

Would you want to serve a ruler who just killed people like that?

Of course not, which is why I wouldn't serve a Xian God, even if he did exist.

It is logical. To end it Forever and as soon as rebellion pops up. Why would God wait to Clear the issue?

You're assuming that the only other logical option than animal sacrifice and such is death, and ignoring the easiest and most straight forward to forgiving someone...

Genuine Forgiveness.