Perceived roundaboutness in the Bible

[Hardcore Newbie]

Sorry The Bible says We are all Give'n Free Will. You Can Choose Not to serve God.

Correct, a perfect being has the choice, but if the being were truly perfect, they'd always choose the perfect choice. If that being makes an imperfect choice, then by definition alone they are not perfect.

Either the being was imperfect, or the being is perfect, and can only make perfect choices, some of which include sin.

They can either be perfect and make only perfect choices, or they can be imperfect and allowed to make imperfect choices. One might be perceived as perfect until a point of imperfection, but hindsight is always 20/20.

No, we are sinful and needed a perfect human to give his life for us. To have a even exchange.

Again, why is it "needed" if God is all powerful and can do anything He wanted? He could forgive everyone in any which way he wanted.

I'm just trying to understand why would the perfect being, God, choose such a round about way of forgiving people? Banish from the garden of Eden, give them arbitrary rules that don't matter for the generations after Christ, only to the ones before. This is the method a perfect being takes? I would think that perfection would include something called logic, So in order for God to be perfect, this has to be the most logical way to forgive two people for what equates to "not listening to God".

So if you were an all powerful being, and two of your creations disobeyed you, you believe that this is the most logical way to forgive two people who've disobeyed you?

If God acted aginst his own Justice He would not be A Perfect God.

The problem is that He is all powerful, He is the one who decides what is just. Why would a logical being place a rule on Itself that states "In order to forgive someone who disobeys me, I have to do [all that stuff in the Bible]"?

Again, if you were God, being all powerful, all knowledgeable, and perfect, you would choose to place this restriction upon yourself while creating your version of Justice? What purpose does it serve?

To Speak with God you have to be Perfect, Sinful humans can not speak to god in our state we need atonement or forgiveness of our sins, to speak with or have direction from God. Befor Jesus Died for all Mankind we had to offer up a sacrifices because of our sinful state. To pray to God and so God could Write the Bible by speaking to sinful Man. After Jesus Death we No longer needed a sacrifice for our sins because Jesus Died for them.

I'll just ask again why this method is the most logical and reasonable course of action. Why would a perfect being set up rules of the universe that dictate "people that sin will not be able to talk to me, unless they sacrifice animals to speak to me, well... until I send Jesus to be sacrificed, then people who believe that this happened and that Jesus is God, those people can also speak with me ".

Hebrews 4:14-16 Please read it. It is talking about how we now have Jesus who died for us to Freely approach God with Freeness of speech. So for God to be able to hear your Prayer you have to know that Jesus Died for your sins and express that.

In order for me to believe in the Bible, I need to be shown why God makes, what I consider to be, such unreasonable and irrational decisions.

Hardcore Newbie Reviewed by Hardcore Newbie on 11-08-2007. Perceived roundaboutness in the Bible I'm posting a reply in a new thread to keep the other one on track. How can a perfect being act in a way to make itself imperfect? Wouldn't a perfect being refrain from any action that would cause imperfection, by the nature of the word "perfect" itself? Please reply with something about free will. If this is true, and sin is inherited, does this mean we are held accountable, in God's eyes, for every sin of our forefathers? Rating: 5