The primary flaw in intelligent design

[dragonrider]

Right! After I posted I thought maybe you were being sarcastic. But sometimes some crazy stuff appears on these boards.

As for the world being flat, don't get me started! Of course the world is flat!

[snowblind]

i think the biggest flaw in ID is that the bible makes NO MENTION OF IT and due to the last 100 years since darwin managed to escape the indoctrination of religon and form his own theories on evidence not on an anecdotale book, that gets a rewrite every 500 years. Religon had to come up with something to counteract the truth.

The church and religous people as always only attact thing that make them look wrong, out dated and hypocritical. such as gay people, evolution, abortion, stem cell research. however domestic abuse, global warming, helping the meek, weak and lost. Nah fuck them they would destroy the very foundations we operate from

[meatw4d]

/\ /\ This is exactly what the video was talking about. It's the main point, and the point that this threads opponents have been consistantly missing. More "Evolution is wrong here, here, and here, so creationism is valid"

Well we pretty much know that everything that exists involved energy, correct? Thunder, life, whatever you want to come up with... it all had to start somewhere and something had to fuel it, and whatever that spark was, I'm pretty sure we're attributing that to God. Whatever God is, he/she/it has the power to create. Making something from nothing has to have an explanation behind it, and intelligent design seems legitimate to me.

Also, is it better to believe in something in this life or to believe that you'll never know what that something is? I'd rather live with faith, personally.

Let's say, hypothetically, that there wasn't a God. Don't you think that the norms and morals associated with faith are beneficial to society anyway? Not the extremists, but those that try to have reasonably good intentions?

Without any faith, I think like a lot more people would feel like they've got nothing to lose.

[Mr. Clandestine]

I'm glad what little i said upset you.
"and your one-sided attempt to attack your religion of choice is pathetic and cowardly."
Whats wrong with stating my belief.

"vengeful people like you" lol cry me a river.

...upset??? Yeah, you're right. That immature and mundane statement you made has reeeealy shaken my faith! You horrible, horrible atheists...

By the way, if atheism is working out so well for you, why are you so angry all the time? Shouldn't you generally be carefree and positive? You seem to be spending an awful lot of your time attempting to offend a Christian, and failing miserably. Does that have something to do with it? That's probably not healthy.

...and you can state your beliefs all you want around here. That's what people do. You just seem to do it less articulately than others.

No offense! :thumbsup:

[BathingApes]

The Bible is a load of shit. Seriously, Christians are diabolical. They openly accept SOME sections that their moral subconscious agrees with as "holy", but then fail to fuckin mention the obviously racist and draconian stories and prophecies that other parts are littered with.

What the fuck. Leviticus anyone? Read THAT shit, and then tell me if you think the Bible is all good and proper. Its a fucking bazillion page book with so much shit in it that you could justify ANYTHING. Christians will never ever mention Mark 7: 24-30. Seriously look it up.

To the guy above. Atheists are pissed off cause for many of us, we have had religion pushed upon us for our whole lives, from Birth, through preschool and school, and into adult society. The whole science-religion thing is stupid. Religious people should just keep their beliefs and the same goes for scientists. There's no need to try and combat eachothers' ideas because neither side will ever prove to be correct. You can have all the answers already if you like, but dont call me a sinner if I dont believe, k?

[Mr. Clandestine]

Seriously, Christians are diabolical.

Seriously, I think you need a sedative! That post was a little hyper.

Christians will never ever mention Mark 7: 24-30. Seriously look it up.

Done. Forgot all about that one.

...what's your point?


-P.S.-

I never called you a sinner, and I'm sorry if some overzealous Christians have tried imposing their religion on you by force. I'm not that kind of Christian, and I don't know of very many who are.

[meatw4d]

You can have all the answers already if you like, but dont call me a sinner if I dont believe, k?

Welcome to life? You have things pushed on you. That's how it works. It's funny that you're all whiny about it.

Maybe nothing should have been pushed on you. Maybe nobody should have ever taken the time to socialize you.


Who cares if you're a sinner with respect to the Bible or religion? You sound like a sack of shit either way.


lmao, who lets these people on the internet?

[BathingApes]

Welcome to life? You have things pushed on you. That's how it works. It's funny that you're all whiny about it.

Maybe nothing should have been pushed on you. Maybe nobody should have ever taken the time to socialize you.


Who cares if you're a sinner with respect to the Bible or religion? You sound like a sack of shit either way.


lmao, who lets these people on the internet?

I knew someone would hit me with the "that's life" bullshit. What points have you actually made there? I was arguing, albeit rather aggressively, that the Bible is so vast that any act good or bad can be justified with its text. My point is that we have a dilemma - is it fair to teach a child of 3, 4, 5 whatever age that there is 100% a God? Is it right to teach them that there isn't? In my opinion, no. I dont have a problem with religious people unless they try and make other people religious.

Yet you say that having opinions unfairly pushed on you is a part of life we should accept? I disagree. Sure it happens, but why should anyone stand for it? For years of my life I was under the impression that I would literally burn for eternity if I didn't do good. I believed that because that is what I was told to believe. Is that morally acceptable though? Do you teach morals via fear or education?

And I sound like a sack of shit? As long as you dont throw me in a sack and fill it with excrement I'm fine with you saying that.

P.S.

And you know Clandestine you do make a good point. My issue is rather with the people that say the entire Bible is the word of God you get the picture? If you use it as a sort of guide to life and make decisions by its good teachings then there is nothing negative in that. When I said Christians, I actually meant "Fundamentalist" Christians. My issue isn't with you.

[Mr. Clandestine]

When I said Christians, I actually meant "Fundamentalist" Christians. My issue isn't with you.

Understood. I didn't take it personally.

As for young children, though...just as you are entitled to impart your own beliefs and systems of values, morals, etc., onto your own children, Christian parents should also be given the same luxury. Parents should never be forceful when teaching their beliefs, and again, I apologize if you had an upbringing with a strict Christian influence. Conversely, I was brought up with practically no religious influence, remained an agnostic for twenty years or so, and still ended up choosing this as my faith.

I remember the few who did try to force Christianity on me when I refused to believe, and to this day I still despise them. It's not because of the religion they chose, but because of the kind of people they were - i.e., arrogant, self-righteous, and pompous assholes.

[meatw4d]

Ok, good point Apes. You did come off rather strongly at first, so that's why I took you for some douche, lol.

True, the Bible is vast. Maybe I was lucky enough to have parents that taught me to think logically and to interpret the good book reasonably. In my opinion, life is about being a good person, and not taking things to extremes.

I don't like to admit it, but I do think that the idea of burning in a fiery eternity has kept me from doing things that I would probably be regretting now.

On another note,

We learned in sociology that until age 7 or 10 (i don't remember exactly), children aren't able to put themselves in other people's shoes yet or think entirely in a moral sense. Until then, fear of punishment is what keeps them from breaking the rules. That's probably why religion is forced upon them at a young age. Until you're a teenager, you don't really have the capacity to think about the true right/wrong, the meaning of life, or any of that.