The primary flaw in intelligent design

[Mr. Clandestine]

To lump anyone who recognizes evolution with people making claims about the universe, which evolution doesn't even deal with, it just doesn't make sense to me.

Getting lumped together with all evangelical Christians, many of whom assault others with their dogma and sharp criticism...which most other Christian denominations seldom have to deal with...actually makes plenty of sense to me. Christians all over the world are being persecuted, and for one thing: being Christian. Even in the U.S., where it's becoming more and more common to see people getting all up in arms over a picture of the Ten Commandments in public places. It is just a picture of stone, after all.

We share lots of DNA with lots of different things. Keep going back and you'll keep seeing similarities.

We also share DNA with lots of our ancestors. "Logically", I find it difficult to believe that I could have possibly evolved from a truffle, or even a chimpanzee, just because of similarities - some less subtle than others - in our DNA. I do believe that I am a product of my ancestors, though...and I have tangible proof of my lineage, accounting for hundreds of years. I can only speculate what came before that, but I can rest assured that it's probably been of human origin for quite some time. Nobody has ever been able to prove me otherwise, and I doubt if they ever will. After all, we only have "X" amount of years on this earth, right?

The reason that (some) creationists have to do this is because they believe so much in their Bible, that if any one part of it is wrong, or if any part of it is a story, then there can be no defining line between what is real in the Bible, and what isn't. The Bible never tells you "this is just a moral story (or fable)". That's why they draw the line at "100% Real"

That's just as ignorant as believing every word of every textbook you've ever read, and "drawing the line" at 100% Fact. Much of the Bible, Christ's own words, even the Old Testament deals exclusively with parables. And most people who read it understand this. There are also some "100% Real" facts in these words that even history can't deny. I won't bother you with historian accounts, uncovered documents, fulfilled prophecies, and the like because I'm sure you've heard it before. You simply chose to ignore them, and adopted your own opinion on the rest, which were meant to be construed as fictional accounts in the first place.

Just because someone can't prove that these things aren't real, that doesn't substantiate them, at all.

Who determines what substantiates a religious belief? The spaghetti monster? You? Me? Maybe the person who believes it? Bingo. Last I checked, Judeo-Christians still account for the majority of the human population on this little planet. While not trying to argue that my beliefs are superior than others, it's tough to ignore why such a large number of believers believe what they do. It isn't because of indoctrination, it's because to some people it just makes sense.

And some people do claim to speak with God, quite a few people.

I call several of these people "prophets", while the rest I call "crazies". Rest assured, there is a difference.

I've been pretty busy the past little while, hence the giant gap of time between our last posts, but I'll try to get around to reading it.

No worries here.

Math is at the very least an "intelligent" code, but regardless, it's still semantics at this point.

You're right, there are many things that we'll never see eye-to-eye on. In the case of religion we can both be right, and we can both be wrong, but civility should be a common courtesy at all times. Earlier you admitted that you don't attack people, you attack their ideology. If this is the case, there are many other (far more corrupt) religions that might be better worth your time. Christians, in general, don't attack others who don't believe what they do. If they harbor animosity towards another faith, that's their own business...but most of them will still keep it to themselves.

My beliefs all lay with facts. My suppositions, however, are just that.

But you also believe in theories, and I'd assume that it's because many of them make sense to you. You've chosen to ignore some of the facts found in various Christian scriptures, and chose rather to focus on scripture that better suited your own premise. I've done the exact same thing, and there's no reason why you should consider me as someone who doesn't live in the "real world".

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean in your first sentence... are you saying
"my opinion which is based on logic differs..."

That'd be the one.

Look, I hope that one day you'll change your stance on my religion...and maybe even become a believer. But before you reply to this with a big resounding "Yeah, right...", just remember this: regardless of what you choose, I will never judge you for the decision you eventually make or already have made. Religion is something to fight for, but it's not something to start fights over. For mortals, there's no such thing as being "holier than thou." And I'm sorry if anyone of my faith has tried to present themselves as such.

Mr. Clandestine Reviewed by Mr. Clandestine on 11-15-2007. The primary flaw in intelligent design This is what I've been saying all along, but I've yet to have a creationist even counter me on the issue. Creation "science" is entirely based on a false-dilema, with no actual empiracle evidence to back up these claims of an "intelligent designer". I encourage every person, creationist or otherwise, to watch this video and actually, seriously, consider the logic. This, right here, is why I get frustrated by people arguing that creationism and evolution are on equal grounds, as valid as the Rating: 5