The primary flaw in intelligent design

[BeforeYourTime]

Religion is something to fight for

Thats what they thought before the crusades. Or were they just bored and wanted to slaughter innocent people for fun?

Most Wars are fought for religious beliefs.

God does not Exist

[The Marsh Wiggle]

God does not Exist

Says an athiest, with no proof.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Thats what they thought before the crusades.

Lord, how cliché it is for someone to bring up the crusades...

Or were they just bored and wanted to slaughter innocent people for fun?

Are you serious? Wow, you are...aren't you? Just when I thought your comments couldn't get any more childish...

In most instances, genius, the crusades were merely Christians defending themselves from marauding and homicidal Muslim factions. Of course, there were some horrible atrocities committed by some Christians...acts which most Christians condone and despise...but that's only to be expected when Christian women and children were being butchered by some real savages.

Islam is still butchering Christians all across the world, and yet, to vengeful people like you, Christians are still the bad-guys. Your disdain for Christianity is dually noted, and your one-sided attempt to attack your religion of choice is pathetic and cowardly.

Most Wars are fought for religious beliefs.

Wrong again, smart guy. Most wars have been fought for land ownership, natural resources, and capital/economic gain...amongst other things. Only a handful were actually separate religions fighting and dying for their religion alone. But feel free to keep piling on the same old clichés. It's becoming of you.

God does not Exist

You just keep telling yourself that. Though it must not seem to be working very well, seeing as how you insist on reassuring yourself by writing it over and over again in your posts to me!

...but, if it makes you feel better for saying it, then I wish you all the best! :thumbsup:

[GraziLovesMary]

*walks in expecting to see the same, repugnant bullshit arguments that nobody can seem to agree on*


*looks around for a second*



*is not let down... walks back the fuck out in anticipated disgust*

[meatw4d]

evolution doesn't prove that we all came from the same organism

it only proves that animals can adapt and change throughout history

evolution also cannot prove how life began

it's got just as many, if not more, holes as creationsim

[BeforeYourTime]

Lord, how cliché it is for someone to bring up the crusades...



Are you serious? Wow, you are...aren't you? Just when I thought your comments couldn't get any more childish...

In most instances, genius, the crusades were merely Christians defending themselves from marauding and homicidal Muslim factions. Of course, there were some horrible atrocities committed by some Christians...acts which most Christians condone and despise...but that's only to be expected when Christian women and children were being butchered by some real savages.

Islam is still butchering Christians all across the world, and yet, to vengeful people like you, Christians are still the bad-guys. Your disdain for Christianity is dually noted, and your one-sided attempt to attack your religion of choice is pathetic and cowardly.



Wrong again, smart guy. Most wars have been fought for land ownership, natural resources, and capital/economic gain...amongst other things. Only a handful were actually separate religions fighting and dying for their religion alone. But feel free to keep piling on the same old clichés. It's becoming of you.



You just keep telling yourself that. Though it must not seem to be working very well, seeing as how you insist on reassuring yourself by writing it over and over again in your posts to me!

...but, if it makes you feel better for saying it, then I wish you all the best! :thumbsup:

I'm glad what little i said upset you.
"and your one-sided attempt to attack your religion of choice is pathetic and cowardly."
Whats wrong with stating my belief.

"vengeful people like you" lol cry me a river.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

evolution doesn't prove that we all came from the same organism

it only proves that animals can adapt and change throughout history

evolution also cannot prove how life began

it's got just as many, if not more, holes as creationsim

/\ /\ This is exactly what the video was talking about. It's the main point, and the point that this threads opponents have been consistantly missing. More "Evolution is wrong here, here, and here, so creationism is valid"

Invalidating one theory does not validate the other, that is creating a false dilemma. Your personal, or humanity's collective knowledge, does not dictate the absolute truth. There may be explanaitons we haven't yet formed. Just because we couldn't at one time explain thunder, does not prove Thor is making it!
A large deal of the "discrediting" of evolution is based on a non-understanding of the theory.
This particular post cites "holes" by evolution not explaining abiogenesis. It's like saying the field of Neuro-Chemistry has holes because it doesn't explain the cause of lung cancer. They are different fields entirely.

But my main point here is that the premise of the video is being attacked by trying to poke holes in evolution, the very problem the video was citing.


When conducting scientific research to develope a theory, or maybe even a law, you do it as such:

Observation
Hypothesis
Data
Conclusion

Then develope a theory.


With Evolution:

Observation: Life is vast, complex, and varried.

Hypothesis: Species adapt to their environments by way of natural selection, changing over time, eventually splitting off into different species.

Data Collection: Observed natural selection, DNA similarities, fossil records, observable speciation (I can't name all because I'm not an expert in the field).

Conclusion: Based on collected data and their support for the hypothesis, natural selection does occure and create variations within species, and eventually new species.

Multiple conclusions, some of which become law, around the same field of study form the Theory of Evolution.


With Creationism:

Observation: Life is vast, complex, and varried.

Hypthesis: The complex nature of life must have been made by an intelligent designer.

Data Collection: ???

Conclusion: God did it!


The hypothesis fits, thereby we have the "theory" of intelligent design. A hypothesis is not sufficient to form a conclusion or corherent theory, there must be data collection to support it. This is why ID is not taught along side evolution, because *gasp* evolution is a real, valid scientific theory! ID is not.

Furthermore, evolution not having a complete explanation of this incredibly vast field does not invalidate the areas we do understand. Medicine has an inredibly long way to go yet, with so much we still can't explain, but that doesn't mean the polio vaccine doesn't work, seratonin isn't real, or the circulatory system is non existent.

[yokinazu]

creatinism data: the bible says so

[dragonrider]

creatinism data: the bible says so

According to the scientific method, data is an observation that can be independently verified. So the fact that the bible says something is true is not scientific data according to the method, because it is not an observation and cannot be independently verified.

[yokinazu]

uh right i was bein sarcastic. i buy into the ID thing about as much as the world is flat.