The great gun-control debate

[yokinazu]

first i woud like to point out it is my constitunional right to own a gun.
next why do we have this right? well that was put there by our founding fathers to 1. let the citizens of this country defend themselves against occupying force and 2. so that if this contry was to get so far outa hand as to becom a dictatorship that we as a people can rise up and overthrow our goverment.
basicaly it made every citezen responsible for defendig their rights.

[meatw4d]

I guess I see it like this. Guns breed violence. Why not do everything we can to limit that violence?

Maybe you'd be right if it would actually limit violence.

I'll ask the question again and then I'm done replying.

How hard is it to buy marijuana? It's illegal...


You can throw away your civil liberties if you want, but don't take us down with you. When your defenseless children, grandchildren, etc... are oppressed by the government and victimized by criminals, then they can thank you.

[ATrain]

and in the end the only people you are really restricting access to are the law abiding citizens, the very people that are the most responsible to be owning guns.

The reality is that gun laws hurt citizens from being able to defend themselves. We need less gun control laws and put some god damn fear into these coward criminals that are so quick to pull a gun!

I wrote this earlier and I think it shows that guns in the household are not a good idea.

~ A 2003 study in the US showed that having a gun in the home increases the risk of someone in the household being murdered by 41 percent. (Homicide and suicide risks associated with firearms in the home: a national case-control study)

Considering the massive amount of gun violence clearly people aren't afraid to defend themselves and lessening gun laws would only further our decline into a sort of civil war. We just shouldn't have so many gun related deaths each year

first i woud like to point out it is my constitunional right to own a gun.
next why do we have this right? well that was put there by our founding fathers to 1. let the citizens of this country defend themselves against occupying force and 2. so that if this contry was to get so far outa hand as to becom a dictatorship that we as a people can rise up and overthrow our goverment.
basicaly it made every citezen responsible for defendig their rights.

When so many citizens are being killed because people are exercising their constitutional rights, something is seriously fucked up :wtf:

Maybe you'd be right if it would actually limit violence.

I'll ask the question again and then I'm done replying.

How hard is it to buy marijuana? It's illegal...

You can throw away your civil liberties if you want, but don't take us down with you. When your defenseless children, grandchildren, etc... are oppressed by the government and victimized by criminals, then they can thank you.

It's actually not that hard to buy marijuana. Buts guns and weed are two totally different things, and the government recognizes that (At least my government recognizes that). So if a country was to attempt it they would need to put forth more effort than is being devoted to eliminating marijuana. But the payoff would be worth it

Oh, and when your gun goes off when your kids are playing with it, they can thank you.

[yokinazu]

my kid has been taught gun safty and we both know that you dont store a loaded gun. my kid knows better than toplay with HER OWN GUN much less daddys. my 12 year old daughter has enough common sense to know what a gun is for and what it is capable of. like i said before we need to educate kids. ever notice that its the inner citie kids runin around shootin each other. and us hill williams that use a gun as a tool dont seem to be doin the dive bys. maybe its because we were taught gun safty and how to shoot from a very early age.
now you will more than likly say well kids are goin to try to act cool and show off the gun for their freinds or somthing of that nature. well the answer to that is my gun safe.
and if we take away the 2nd ammendment why not the 4th or the 5th hell for that matter just burn the whole constitution.

[420_24/7]

How hard is it to buy marijuana? It's illegal...

People can't grow guns...

[Frickr]

if all the guns were banned what would the sheep and cattle ranchers do when coyotes come and start killing all of their lambs and calves? run otu there and try to knife the thing? guns are useful, people just need to be educated.

[Nailhead]

I wrote this earlier and I think it shows that guns in the household are not a good idea.

~ A 2003 study in the US showed that having a gun in the home increases the risk of someone in the household being murdered by 41 percent. (Homicide and suicide risks associated with firearms in the home: a national case-control study)

Considering the massive amount of gun violence clearly people aren't afraid to defend themselves and lessening gun laws would only further our decline into a sort of civil war. We just shouldn't have so many gun related deaths each year

Again, murder is, and should always, be illegal. The problem with America's violence is not that we have too many guns, but that our laws are too weak on violent offenders. We should blame the shooter, not the gun itself. It does us no good to ignore the true cause of crimes if we take the blame off of the person that caused that crime. If we actually had tough laws to prosecute and convict violent offenders, we would not have so many gun related deaths per year.

When so many citizens are being killed because people are exercising their constitutional rights, something is seriously fucked up :wtf:

Murder is not a constitutional right, most violence involving guns is not dealing with issues of self defense or citizens defending their rights. The problem is lack of justice.

Oh, and when your gun goes off when your kids are playing with it, they can thank you.

You are under the assumption that anyone with a gun is stupid, if you are dumb enough to keep a gun in a house with children without it being locked up separately from the ammo, then you shouldn't have kids. The problem here is not the gun itself, but the absence of common sense from the parent, this is just taking blame off who is at fault, the parents. Most of your arguments seem to put the blame on the gun rather than the individual operating the gun. A gun can be a dangerous weapon, but so can a car, knife, rope, bat, etc. You can't stop crime if you don't look at the root cause, and the root cause is not the weapon but the motive. Find the motive, and you can stop crime, but if you stop the weapon, the motive remains and the crime doesn't go away.

America will never ban all guns, any government action trying to do so would certainly cause a revolution, the idea isn't even worth toying with.

[ATrain]

Again, murder is, and should always, be illegal. The problem with America's violence is not that we have too many guns, but that our laws are too weak on violent offenders. We should blame the shooter, not the gun itself. It does us no good to ignore the true cause of crimes if we take the blame off of the person that caused that crime. If we actually had tough laws to prosecute and convict violent offenders, we would not have so many gun related deaths per year.

You are under the assumption that anyone with a gun is stupid, if you are dumb enough to keep a gun in a house with children without it being locked up separately from the ammo, then you shouldn't have kids. The problem here is not the gun itself, but the absence of common sense from the parent, this is just taking blame off who is at fault, the parents. Most of your arguments seem to put the blame on the gun rather than the individual operating the gun. A gun can be a dangerous weapon, but so can a car, knife, rope, bat, etc. You can't stop crime if you don't look at the root cause, and the root cause is not the weapon but the motive. Find the motive, and you can stop crime, but if you stop the weapon, the motive remains and the crime doesn't go away.

America will never ban all guns, any government action trying to do so would certainly cause a revolution, the idea isn't even worth toying with.

Regarding your comments concerning laws and violent offenders I agree with you. But guns are also apart of that problem. You can't really deal with one without dealing with the other but statistics show that guns increase the risk of violence. That can't be ignored.

My comment about guns going off when children are playing with them was directed at meatw4d who said the following: "When your defenseless children, grandchildren, etc... are oppressed by the government and victimized by criminals, then they can thank you." It wasn't meant as a general statement about gun safety and children.

And banning guns is an idea worth toying with when they are directly involved with so much violence. Anything that is that large a part of American deaths each year should be examined and possibly banned.

Oh, and I don't buy the excuse that people have guns in their possession to protect themselves from "terrorists". How many terrorists have been captured or killed in America because of the guns citizens own?

[meatw4d]

Anything that is that large a part of American deaths each year should be examined and possibly banned.

I know I said I wouldn't reply, but I couldn't help it.

Ban driving!!

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[texas grass]

everyone should have the right to own any type of gun

its all about GUN RESPECT
PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLE
rule#1 dont ever point a gun at any living thing unless you plan to use it
if people were to respect that rule less people would get hurt

guns are for lookin pretty hunt sport and self defense