Unpopular Opinions

[Fugitive]

Multiculturalism is failing.

[daihashi]

Thank you all for your personal, direct involvement in this war!

Who said anything about any posters direct involvement in the war. The discussion was over America/The United States.

History is history is history is history. This has nothing to do with personal involvement.

Thank you for taking the time to spin what was a well known fact into people saying things as if it were their own personal agenda.

You did have a condescending attitude as another poster mentioned. Almost an air of arrogance flexing your e-peen where it didn't need to be flexed.

Everyone you quoted was simply discussing HISTORY... no one ever attempted to say they were directly involved in the war. :wtf:

[psychocat]

If it wasn't for the U.S. Europe would be a VERY differant place.

We saved the U.K. and France.

That statement is factualy wrong.
America got involved later than anyone else. they remained neutral till the Japanese dumped on Pearl harbour.
They only agreed to help on a loan /lease agreement that was beneficial for America and nobody else. (The jet technology that Britain "gave" to America was part of the payoff).
The Japanese were fighting a lot more than just the US forces and India alone would have been a major problem not to mention the Russians enormous army.
Russia used a scorched earth policy to defeat the advancing Nazi forces , the Germans would march for days through freezing conditions in the belief that there would be a battle at the end of it. The Russians wanted none of it and simply withdrew and destroyed anything that could be of use to the Germans leaving the poor Nazis to freeze thier little arses off.

The truth of the matter is that Hitler could not mantain such a widespread offensive even with the aid of Japan who had thier hands full in Malaysia and the East Indies. Hitler and the Nazis and the Japanese really bit off a lot more than they could realisticaly chew.


I have broken my own rules by replying to an opinion and have no intention of doing it again so if you wish to discuss this matter further then may I suggest a "America saved Europe" thread where I will be more than happy to get into a serious debate instead of simply making statements with no backing like "America saved Europe".

[daihashi]

I have broken my own rules by replying to an opinion and have no intention of doing it again so if you wish to discuss this matter further then may I suggest a "America saved Europe" thread where I will be more than happy to get into a serious debate instead of simply making statements with no backing like "America saved Europe".

I would like to discuss this further. To deny that our involvement did not lead to an Ally victory is false.

I won't say America saved Europe, but I would have to say that the Allies would've suffered far more losses and possibly lost against the Axis had it not been for US Involvement which tied up two major powers in the Axis on several fronts.

Ultimately allowing the Allies to position themselves to win.

I look forward to this new thread.

[dragonrider]

Who said anything about any posters direct involvement in the war. The discussion was over America/The United States.

History is history is history is history. This has nothing to do with personal involvement.

Thank you for taking the time to spin what was a well known fact into people saying things as if it were their own personal agenda.

You did have a condescending attitude as another poster mentioned. Almost an air of arrogance flexing your e-peen where it didn't need to be flexed.

Everyone you quoted was simply discussing HISTORY... no one ever attempted to say they were directly involved in the war. :wtf:

Of course no one claimed direct involvement in the war. They would have to be about 80 years old to have been involved. What I was saying was sarcastic. Sorry if it came off as condescending --- maybe it was.

When I see someone say somthing like, "Without America, much of the world would be speaking either German or Japanese," it comes off as rude to me. It seems like they are trying to throw this undisputed fact of history in someone else's face. It seems like they are trying to claim some kind of credit for something that they had nothing to do with. Then everyone else has to pile into the discussion with their opinion on exactly how much credit America deserves. Did we win it singlehandedly? Do we share credit with the Russians? Do we share credit with the British? How much exactly does everyone we saved owe us?

If you throw out some other negative fact of history about America, like the fact that America practiced slavery or Americans exterminated Native Armericans, then the reaction usually is, "I had nothing to do with that!" And it is true. No one alive today deserves blame for those historical injustices. Likewise, most of the people alive today do not deserve personal credit or blame for what their grandparents did during WWII.

So what's the point is hashing it over? Is anyone honestly going to dispute the historical fact that America made a huge contribution to WWII? Is this really a historical discussion about an unpopular opinion about history? Maybe it is and I don't get it, but mostly it looks like Americans telling Europeans how much they owe them for saving their asses more than 60 years ago.

[stinkyattic]

Excellent! That means I can now close this one, since it's becoming a bit of a headache. GREAT history lesson, Psychocat. Very informative as usual.