Police Batter Down Teenager's Door, Blow Off Dog's Head Without Warning

[jchap]

i cant see two pitballs running away simple

these dogs are banned from being bred here in the uk, and soon will be extinct in britain

good job i say they harm loadsa children by biting there faces off

[delusionsofNORMALity]

in a perfect world no one would care what you do to yourself in the privacy of your own home. in case you haven't noticed, this is far from a perfect world. we all live in a society of laws over which we have little or no control. many of us on these boards are in the process of committing a felony every day of our lives and it seems to me to be totally irrational to expect that there will be no repercussions. the teenager in question knowingly entered into a lifestyle that put here and her family in danger of arrest and worse, i have no pity for her as i would have no pity for myself under similar circumstances. we all live with the possibility of being raided, that is the choice we have made.

as for the dogs:
most pd's have a standing order that pit bulls are to be considered dangerous and killed without compunction under such circumstances. the blame for their deaths can be placed squarely on the head of their owner, the teenager who put them in the situation in the first place.

the simple reality is that, no matter how we may attempt to justify our actions, we are criminals. though the laws may be unjust, we enter into an implied contract to abide by those laws merely by existing within society. none of us is above the law. we are merely outside the law, if we're lucky. i always keep in mind the line "to live outside the law you must be honest" and strive to remember that honesty starts by being honest with yourself. no matter how normal my lifestyle may seem to me it is considered illegal and immoral in the eyes of society and its laws and eventually i will have to pay the price for these sins against the powers that be. unless, of course, i can stay one step ahead of the crooked arm of the law.

[higher4hockey]

Gandalf~ the police broke the law? am i missing something here?

[Hardcore Newbie]

I guess 10 years for 2 joints would be justified as well, because it's the law, and when you break the law, you get what the government determines to be punishment.

If it was law that you had to pay a breathing tax, and punishment for not paying was death, it'd be just too, because it's a law, and we shouldn't break them.

[Vino]

newbie you wont get 10 years for two joints in Canada.

know the law if you are going to break it is my theory.

ok so for pot up to 30 grams of pot, or 1gram of hash you are looking at a summary offense which is a maximum punishment of 6 months and 1000$ fine.

no one is going to prison for 10 years for two joints in our country.

If you are known for selling weed it will be likely you will charged with possession as a hybrid offense, if its you first time caught again 6 months and a 1000$ fine, second offense you get a year and a 2000 fine. subsequent offenses you can face up to 5 years imprisonment.

but i have never heard of someone getting five years right off the bat for a first offense over a small amount of weed.

remember sentencing is also based on precedent. so even if you get an activist judge (i hate judicial activism) there is only so much they can do within reason.

possession of] cocaine you are looking at 6 months 1000$ for the first time, second time you are looking at 1 year 2000. the most you can get is 7 years and thats for larger amounts and subsequent offenses.

for trafficking up to three kg of weed you are looking at an indictable offense the max punishment is 5 years less a day. if you have more then three kgs you are looking at the max of life imprisonment.

for trafficking coke is an indictable offenses and has a max punishment of life imprisonment.




Clearly we can see the vast disparity in the sentencing between weed and coke. Ignorance is no excuse of the law, she lives in Vanier and does coke and weed im willing to bet money on the fact that she was involved with things she shouldn't have been. i live in the same city and no one is busting my door down and shooting my roommates dog. I deal with the same police when i go out at night.

Honestly, of four years studying crime and law i am very very bitter about police action, and the things the police do. they target people, they improperly investigate, falsify evidence. its all been done in canada and the states. Im also bitter about judicial activism (judges teaching people a lesson so to speak). but do i get mad and hot under the collar about this....no. She did have drugs, she was using drugs, and likely was not discrete about it at all if she got busted. if the police see a pit bull in a situation like that they will shoot it. if you own a pit bull you know that. my friend owns one and he is careful with it because there are no second chances with those dogs in ontario.

She had drugs in her house, the police shot dogs who are seen to be a danger. they searched her and her daughter in jail. well, yeah, thats what they do in jail if they think you might have things stashed on you. it sucks, thats why you damn well don't get caught if you are going to use drugs. searching people when they are being held is for their own, and for other peoples protection and is not out of line.


I get just as pissed off as the next person over improper police action. But you have to face the fact that this is not actually one of those times.

im not any more likely to believe the word of the police over hers....but i think the Ottawa sun is the biggest trash news paper in the world. next to the Toronto sun maybe.

i accknowledge that the police treat people in her situation fairly poorly. but the fact is, she did have drugs in her possession. so them raiding her home, and shooting dogs that are known to be dangerous, searching her and her daughter in jail.....is not actually out of line.

it sucks for them, but its all pretty standard when it comes right down to it.

[cadmiumblimp]

It wasn't just pot.......the "other" puts ya over the edge in the eyes of the law. This is Canada were talking about here.....I don't think this is common practice for a "pot user" but common for coke heads.

The also had a warrent, she had pitbulls; "gentle mutts who were running away in fear". SURE they were....somebody strange busts in the door and two pitbulls are going to go runnin' away. Simple logic says thats a load of crap.

Have a good one!:s4:

My grandparents' dogs bark and bark, but are the biggest scaredy cats around. :wtf:

This why here in America we can legally own guns.If somebody busts your door down just start shooting them.If I sat on a jury where a women shot some people busting the door in I'd say not guilty.

I don't go around busting down people's doors, but it scares the shit out of me when I realize there are actually people out there with this mentality.

[Hardcore Newbie]

newbie you wont get 10 years for two joints in Canada.

know the law if you are going to break it is my theory.

I know we're not going to get a huge amount for pot in Canada, that wasn't really my point.

Clearly we can see the vast disparity in the sentencing between weed and coke. Ignorance is no excuse of the law, she lives in Vanier and does coke and weed im willing to bet money on the fact that she was involved with things she shouldn't have been.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse... that was the case when there were only a few laws to begin with. I read a piece not too long ago that stated there were over 2 million statutes (or as they prefer to call them, laws) in Canada. It'd take over a lifetime to familiarize yourself with all of them.

i accknowledge that the police treat people in her situation fairly poorly. but the fact is, she did have drugs in her possession. so them raiding her home, and shooting dogs that are known to be dangerous, searching her and her daughter in jail.....is not actually out of line.

it sucks for them, but its all pretty standard when it comes right down to it.

I have a hard time believing that someone on a cannabis site would actually say something like this. You don't morally think that this is out of line? Shooting someone's dogs because they have some cocaine? Just because something is standard, that doesn't make it alright, not in my eyes.

I might be in the minority, but I know that there are responsible coke heads out there. I've never touched the stuff, nor do I condone it AT ALL, but to think that everyone that uses coke has to be a fiend is just nonsense. Pot heads are very badly portrayed in the media, you'd think we're all a bunch of lazy, good for nothing hippies.

[rebgirl420]

i cant see two pitballs running away simple

these dogs are banned from being bred here in the uk, and soon will be extinct in britain

good job i say they harm loadsa children by biting there faces off

I call bullshit on THIS post.

Maybe people like YOU should be bred out of existence. It's not the dogs fault for being violent. The reason pit bulls have a bad rap is b/c people train them to fight and to be violent.

Good job? Shooting 2 innocent pit bulls? Are you out of your freaking mind?

The harm loads of children by biting their faces off? Really? Please, if this is so frequent I want you to produce more than 5 links.

[trainwreck530]

higher4hockey-- ive taken a few doj classes and some of the stuff you debate doesnt make sense to me. but you are entitled to your opinion and i always like someone whos on the real, even if i dont agree with what they say. btw why are you on a cannabis board if you drink and dont smoke?

what they did DOES go against police procedure, no matter how you put it. its in the details.

if they had a warrant to search for weapons this would sound a little more acceptable, but them coming in like fuckin cowboys created more danger to the situation than the dogs. besides these dogs werent vicious...right?

[jtvision]

It would have been great if the cops would have killed someone in the apartment below while shooting at the dogs. That would have really fucked them over. I guess Im kinda morbid.

But really though, if they would have gotten a big score it would have been plasted all over the papers. Due to the fact that they got fuck all over then a few cadavers on their hands its not in the papers. Its appearent they were working on some bogus information.
And ya, I bet them dogs were right savage when then piggys came rushing in! =)