Quote Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
what war has not been based on lies? lies are the only thing that most governments are any good at, a perfect example of the old saw "practice makes perfect". governments lie to each other, they lie to their people, they even lie to themselves. why should this point in time be any different than the rest of recorded history and why is it that so many are so willing to jump on this bandwagon and get all pissed off about what is essentially business as usual?

in case you have forgotten, people die in wars. these deaths are not directly ordered by their superiors. they are, in fact, contrary to the wishes of anyone but the enemy and the sad by-product of man's inability to be content with anything less than everything. war is seldom a one sided affair.

gandalf has quite patiently tried to explain the meaning of this word to you and you seem to be unable to grasp the concept. i would suggest you somehow acquire a dictionary and understand the meanings of the words you use before you go shouting such inanities from the rooftops.

this seems to be the crux of the matter. it's all about what you allow yourself to hear, what you believe despite any evidence to the contrary. this is the same dangerous mentality that fed the decades long cold war, the same blindness that allows this foolhardy drug war to destroy the lives of millions waste the resources of the nation. it's not that there might not be valid reasons for our iraqi incursion, it's that you won't even listen to that side of the story. this is the myopic cancer of the fanatic and no amount of reason will ever fill the empty space that fanaticism fills.
Just because most wars are based on lies does not mean we have to continue to accept it as something that just happens. Maybe people are getting tired of being lied to? I don't understand the willingness to just bow down to them because, well its just the way things work. I also say he is guilty of TREASON, among other crimes as well.

trea·son Pronunciation[tree-zuhn]
??noun
1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
3. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.

I would say he is guilty of all three...