Sad...

[TryptamineScape]

I'd have to do alot more research on that area first

[beachguy in thongs]

I'd have to do alot more research on that area first

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[Gandalf_The_Grey]

More pills, MORE PILLS, MORE PILLS!!! I know how that is, it's the only treatment doctors offer me too. Sadly medical science has put almost all it's focus for so many ailments on medications and little more.

I wish there was more research put into alternative treatments, figuring out how they work, and how to isolate their effective mechanism and apply it effectively. I'm not necessarily advocating "altnerative medicine" as so much of it is junk, but there are many non-pharmaceutical approaches that should be looked at. For instance acupuncture, which I 100% disbelieved for many years, is turning out to be a more effective pain treatment than chiropractic, physio, or massage.


Has your mom looked at any alternative treatments or lifestyle changes TryptamineScape? I wouldn't be surprised it StormCrow had a few ideas on this. For instance, I've found that 3-4 administrations of salvia divinorum leaves (not extract) per week is an amazingly effective anti-depressant; a lot of people have discovered this actually.
Likewise, ever since starting a regiment of 5-7 grams vitamin C with 400IU Vitamin E per day one year ago, I have never been anywhere near sick, and I used to get sick all the time.
I recently took up tai chi and particularily qigong practices, and it's done wonders for my energy and mood. Maybe you mom could try that.
Meditation might be a good idea too.

I'd say it's time to start looking at all the options, because pharmaceuticals obviously aren't alleviating your mother's suffering.

[birdgirl73]

TryptamineScape, please don't feed--or administer in any other fashion--cannabis to your mom without her knowledge. If we're ever going to get anywhere with cannabis as a respected choice for medical help, adults need to make up their own minds to use it. We don't advocate stealth cannabis administration, just like we don't advocate people smoking out their pets, either. You don't know how it will act on her with any certainty, and it's not an ideal medicine for everyone, particularly not for someone with advanced diabetes, heart disease or hypertension. She sounds like she very likely has some serious circulatory challenges with which to contend, and cannabis probably isn't well indicated for someone like that. It's not a wonder drug for everyone, you know. I wish more people would be wise enough to realize this.

You say she's being given medicine for "needless things," which is an alarming conclusion for you to draw unless you're her physician. Sounds like she has some serious health issues if she's taking medicine to keep her blood sugar and her blood pressure down. I'm guessing if she has nosebleeds, she may also be on some form of anticoagulant to help her avoid an embolic stroke, but some anti-hypertensives can cause nosebleeds, too. Please don't encourage her to go off those medicines just because you think she's on too many. Without what she's taking, she would likely be in much worse shape or possibly even disabled or dead. Encourage her to talk to her doctor(s) about simplifying her regimen of pills, and if there are any she can spare, then she needs to taper off the medicines according to their directions. There's a lot of prejudice, misinformation and suspicion about antidepressants going around these boards, which I think is unfair to those millions of folks for whom they work well.

Gandalf, there you go again. You can't possibly know what is helping his mother and what isn't because you're not her doctor and you're not the patient in this case. I'm all for alternative therapies when they work--particularly exercise and meditation for depression--but Tryptamine's mother and someone with concrete medical training need to make up their minds about that, not strangers on a cannabis board.

[silkyblue]

Im sure your very worried about your moms health "the pills "dont cure, and the body, only wants 'one drug'. No other drug will replace the crave for what the body wants, some of her meds she probably needs to take.
The heart meds mainly HBP isnt ,to mess wif does she talk to you about herby?
Roll her up a j, set it beside her, with a bic, and a tray, tell her to try it" she might "enjoy it "just one puff would blow her away, show her how to smoke it, its a nack!

good luck

[silkyblue]

tell her "it" belongs to a friend and you got one for her

:jointsmile:

[TryptamineScape]

see, I know better than to get her to stop taking her medications. I just know that there are much better alternatives...what I meant by needless ones are the anti-depressant...by now she's just dependant on it...it's working backwards...she stay more depressed than she was when she first got on it...that's what i mean by needless...

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Gandalf, there you go again. You can't possibly know what is helping his mother and what isn't because you're not her doctor and you're not the patient in this case. I'm all for alternative therapies when they work--particularly exercise and meditation for depression--but Tryptamine's mother and someone with concrete medical training need to make up their minds about that, not strangers on a cannabis board.

*sigh* yes indeed, "there I go again
. Seems you're so fixated on this image of me you see it when it's not even present. Don't even try telling me I'm dolling out medical advice. Citing a couple things I specifically said worked for me isn't a medical advisory, it's word of mouth. This standard you're using to constantly get on my case is getting rediculous; "this worked for me" is basic communication between any kind of people of any education.
And yes, I stand by it, look at alternatives. If I describe how to carry out an alternative therapy rather than a professional in the field, you'll have something to complain about. In the meantime, I'd appreciate not constantly catching shit from you for basic information exchanges that normally come up in a casual conversation.

[birdgirl73]

Gandalf, I stand by what I said. You might want to review what you wrote in the thread, which I'll link below. You weren't doling out pharmacological information this time, but you were venturing into telling Tryptamine that his mom was being over-"pilled" and making sweeping generalizations about modern medicine that have no basis in fact except in your own perception. You also suggested alternative treatments. Like I said, I stand firmly by the "There you go again." You border on compulsivity in this area, and if you want me and/or FBR to stop hassling you about this stuff, you will likely need to find another specialty than medicine. You can expect to, as you so charmingly put it, catch lots more shit about this sort of thing if you keep this up.

http://boards.cannabis.com/medicinal...ml#post1690899

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

So if I've got this right...

you were venturing into telling Tryptamine that his mom was being over-"pilled"

I said that more pills is often the only treatment conventional medical science currently offers. I make and made no allusions to his mom's need for the pills, only that it's sad that doctors often don't have other options (which I attribute to failures in conventional medical doctrine, not doctors). See what I mean? You draw conclusions from what I say that aren't there. My being unhappy about the limit in available options has nothing to do with whether or not she actually needs the meds.

and making sweeping generalizations about modern medicine that have no basis in fact except in your own perception.

Meds are often the only option doctors have available, am I wrong? Do I have to be a politician to complain about politics? A lawyer to complain about laws?

You also suggested alternative treatments.

Yeah, I pointed that out my self. I said look into alternatives. Are you seriously going to tell me people shouldn't even look into anything? Acupuncture, chiropractic, meditation, yoga.... Oh no! Don't you dare look into them!

And as I said, citing something that worked for me personally isn't medical advice, it's word of mouth, the kind that normal people have in normal conversation. The restricitons on speech in this forum have become so mod-nazi'd there's no sense even calling it "medicinal cannabis and health" any more seeing as nobody's actually allowed to discuss health in any way, shape, or form.