when i was 7 my grampa had a stroke and coldnt roll anymore so he sat me down with a pack of papers and taught me how to do it. 30 years later i can roll almost as good as a machine. not as good but almost. my freinds all make me do the rolling. but there is no disgrace at using the machine. oh and i still cant roll them thar new fangled blunts. hand rolled, machine rolled ,blunt, pipe, bong ,dont matter just dont skip me.