The Historical Jesus: Fact or Myth?

[GHoSToKeR]

faith isnt proof

[sawleaf]

faith isnt proof

Faith isn't proof to the faithless, that's it. A person with faith has proof for themself and has no need to proove anything to anyone. You don't understand this Ghost, because you have no idea of what having faith means, you have zero faith. It isn't believeing in something blindly like you think it is. Many of us have experiences and feel and see things that you may not. Just because some scientist can't understand or proove anything doesn't mean that it is not real or doesn't exsist. It just means that it is beyond the reaches of current science. Who knows maybe science will someday proove religion right? What would you do then???

[kronick]

Aren't both Creationism and evoultion both Theories

darwins "theory" of evolution was more of a theory then, than it is now. there is lots of proof showing that we evolved from primates(did you kno that a humans genes is ONE cromo. from being an ameba!). but that dosent mean that god didnt put the human genome on the planet earth...but that cannot be proven...so like ive said many a times in this thread...you cannot prove the existance of god...you can choose to believe he exists or not....i for one will not take sides on this matter.

A person with faith has proof for themself and has no need to proove anything to anyone.

there is a word for what u just described...and it comes up a lot in this thread...its called "arrogance". but i can see where you are comming from when you say that but a lot of non believers will just get pissed off when you say they are wrong and you are right. like me

Who knows maybe science will someday proove religion right? What would you do then???

what happens if science proves the opposite of what you want? what would YOU do then??

[GHoSToKeR]

Faith isn't proof to the faithless, that's it. A person with faith has proof for themself and has no need to proove anything to anyone. You don't understand this Ghost, because you have no idea of what having faith means, you have zero faith. It isn't believeing in something blindly like you think it is. Many of us have experiences and feel and see things that you may not. Just because some scientist can't understand or proove anything doesn't mean that it is not real or doesn't exsist. It just means that it is beyond the reaches of current science. Who knows maybe science will someday proove religion right? What would you do then???

how can science 'prove religion right'? which religion? what part of that religion? it doesnt make sense

sawleaf, it is you who doesnt understand. Faith isnt proof. faith never has been or will be proof.. saying 'my faith is proof enough for me' doesnt prove anything. if i had faith that godzilla lives in tokyo with elvis, does it make it so?

[XTC]

Ghost, know you starting to sound like a Jerk. Look up what faith means. People like me dont need some scientific source and DNA or whatever. We just have faith, and that by itself is proof enough. It is like.... God has touched me or open my mind up.... stuff has happened in my life that has made me have faith.

[GHoSToKeR]

but just because you have faith, it doesnt mean its true.

[XTC]

Well, I never told you to believe or not in God or A God. It seems more or less that the people who don't believe in a god seem to throw insults and shove stuff down our throats in reasons why God doesnt exist. But it seems rarely if ever the Believers make post on Why There is a god and whatnot

[kronick]

but just because you have faith, it doesnt mean its true.

now that is 100% true right there! the only way to describe arrogance, is to be arrogant! and thats exactly what we are trying to say to you. you are not right...and we are not right....and THATS closer to the real truth, than we are EVER gonna get!!!

[kronick]

Well, I never told you to believe or not in God or A God. It seems more or less that the people who don't believe in a god seem to throw insults and shove stuff down our throats in reasons why God doesnt exist. But it seems rarely if ever the Believers make post on Why There is a god and whatnot

im living proof that, that is not true.

[F L E S H]

I think people misunderstand the term 'theory'. Just because evolution is a theory, doesn't mean you can dismiss it as just a 'theory'. Electricity as we understand today is 'just' a theory. Nobody ever saw electrons, or their movement. Electricity is a theoretical construct that allows us to predict and understand how electrons might behave, even though we can't possibly see them with our current technology; but that doesn't mean we can debate the existence of electricity. Same goes for evolution. Given what we know from fossil records and based on what we observe in micro-organisms today (like viruses evolving in order to become immune to anti-biotics), scientists came up with the theory of evolution.

As for the question of faith in God, or Christ, or whatever, either you have it or you don't, and there's no point explaining it to others. Faith is a deeple personal thing.