House Sustains Presidentâ??s Veto on Child Health

[DemoCommando]

yep....that's the american way, isn't it? take a small group and vilify it, then you are free to tax it to death or restrict its freedoms or even outlaw it entirely. does this sound familiar?

The American way is to support your citizens and give liberties to people who can't afford it themselves. But hey, why not restrict health care to needy families and sick children? They're not people because they are poor, right?

I agree completely with Bstheory on the money spending situation, I think that Military spending should be cut dramatically and other spending also ie Prisons, Jails, and other pork barrel spending. Not to say that Prisons and Jails and invaluable institutions are pork barrel. $100+ billion a year on military and pork barrel spending is ridiculous.

I don't consider myself a lefty or righty, I think I'm a moderate. But universal healthcare is a longtime waiting. England, Australia, New Zealand, and many other modern countries have universal healthcare and I 100% agree with their decisions to make that available. But still, here in the USA many people go without proper healthcare when the USA is an incredibly advanced nation and has immense budgets and technology.

A cigarette tax maybe is not the best choice, but is that really the point?

Dave

[birdgirl73]

I really hate the mindset that would approve of vetoing a bill that supports children's--or any person's--healthcare. Just another confirmation that our current ruling party doesn't care for the citizens it governs, not even the smallest or most vulnerable.

People who believe the middle class can afford either health care or health insurance for their kids don't know how pricing in either system works.

[killerweed420]

Healthcare is expensive.But if you're making $50,000 to $100,000 a year you should be able to afford healthcare for your kids.Either that or cut back on the fancy vacations,fancy cars,boats and all the other material things middle class America pisses its disposable income away on.
I saw an editorial the other day where a couple was making $120,000 a year and they just couldn't make ends meet. Probably more of the college educated idiots that make up middle class.

[DemoCommando]

Let's say a man makes $50,000 gross a year married with 2 kids, the average american household. $50,000 after taxes is about 35000-40000 a year.

The Healthcare for the whole family will cost about $3000 a month or more. Rent will be about a $1000 a month. Food will be about $500 a month. Gas, electric, and misc will about $500 a month. That's $4000 a month on just living not including cars, gas, clothing, fun trips, etc. That's $42000 a year. Who isn't going to go into debt?

Sure, people can save a penny here and there and cut back on little things, but for the most part people just can't AFFORD to live. Take out 36000 a year on healthcare and those people can live very nicely.

And, of course, many people who make a decent living spend it on shit like big screen tv's, yachts and just crap that people don't NEED. But for the most part, many people live at minimum and still can't afford the basic neccessities ie Healthcare even jsut for their children. For the last 20 years, my family could not and still cannot afford healthcare. We needed that bill 20 years ago, where the fuck is it now?

Dave

[killerweed420]

Never known anyone paying $3000 a month for healthcare with 2 kids.A family of 4 usually spends about $1600. a month thats before the employers contribution. Which is still way too much money for healthcare. I don't see anyway out of these costs other than socialized healthcare.Too many people are getting rich off of healthcare. There has to be some sort of controls put in place.

[bstheory]

It is sickening how profitable health insurance companies are when they have incentive bonuses set to encourage rejecting claims. Even middle class Americans can't afford a $30,000 bill to reattach a finger when their insurance company weasels out of it. Watch Sicko (am I really the first to bring Sicko up in this discussion??) and you'll see that even those who can afford insurance still get dicked over. Money shouldn't play a role, or even be stressed about, in your decision for treatment. If this was a small village and someone got sick, they'd see the doctor. This person wouldn't be worried about paying them because the whole village chips in to support the doctor. Sad how f*cking disconnected we are from our fellow man.

[texas grass]

most americans complain when they have to pay unpaid bills at the hospital
and they also complain when they have to pay taxes on healthcare

i am 1 of those people that have no insurance cause i cant afford, so when i get sick i should not get taken care of?

and our healthcare is so fucked up it took over 2 years to do a bypass on my father that the artery was over 99% clogged up. 2 fucking years and afew heart attacks. thats the american way, make it more expensive. might i add they had him on 20 different perscription drugs.

how many people have you heard of loosing their familys worth because they had heart disease or something else,

how much do your grandparents spend on medicine?
how many people have you personaly met that have had to sell off their life savings and family property because of health coverage?

and you should not just tax cig smokers.

why not tax alcohol 31 cents a 6 pack

or how about tax milk and eggs and cheese 1 cent apiece

why not spend less on military, fda, our bs education, ect

IF YOU HAVE A HEALTHY AND EDUCATED SOCIETY THEY WILL BE HAPPY TO WORK AND NOT COMPLAIN AS MUCH

[Chong Version 2.0]

What happened to neutrality? You poor Americans hate your own people. Bush polarized you guys so much that it will be your downfall.

[epxroot]

The answer to this is to obtain a solid economy. Socialized health care is not the answer we just simply do not have the money to support it. It's not about Republican or Democrats, it's about one nation as a whole. Every party seems to think that the answer to our problems is funding another multi billion dollar program that we can't afford! We need to take back the control of this country. We have lost all control and we have given it to corporations who then decide what is best for us, and they decide that by determining what is going to line their pockets more. We really need to get out of this mindset that we allow ourselves to be divided like we are. Until we stop remaining loyal to parties and we start to become loyal to our country we will never be united.

[Psycho4Bud]

When big brother gets to the root of the problem of high costs in health care then I'll consider extra taxes. Why do beds cost up to $25,000 and surgical tables $75,000?

Another item is where the tax would be coming from. Why not tax that fast food burger and extra 2 cents instead. We are the nation of fat that eventually developes into heart failure, etc.

Right now I can buy a pack of Marlburo for about $3.50 a pack....that's including the 31 cent fed tax and the states 77 cents. 1/3 of the cost is in taxes! GET YOUR MONEY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!

Have a good one!:s4: