Flowering 2 Master Kush

[Weedhound]

Thanks for all your help MVP. :thumbsup:

[Opie Yutts]

First off, damn fine looking plants you got there Weedhound, and nice looking nugs of yours MVP. I want to crawl inside both of yours.

I don't think I was clear about my cloning. I think MVP was under the assumption that two weeks before harvest I take cuttings from my flowering plants to start the next grow. This could be done, but I would take the cuttings about 1 month before harvest, maybe even 5 or 6 weeks. What I was trying to say, and sorry for the confusion, was that I take cuttings from my mother plants 2 weeks before harvest time, not from my flowering plants. Cloning from budding plants is doable, but they take much longer to root since they must first revert back to veg. This method has a higher casualty rate, since they are in the cloner a long time, giving them more chances at mold or rot, and any number of other maladies.

If you are taking cuttings from flowering plants, try to get a bud that has a bunch of fan leaves, or as many healthy leaves as possible. Normally you try to get older cuttings from the bottom areas of the plant. You can remove the buds, but this is slightly more dangerous. You do not need to cut leaves in half unless your cutting is pretty big and there is a bunch of foliage. You do this so that the plant concentrates on root production instead of photosynthesis. The downside to doing this, and it becomes especially important if you took cuttings from flowering plants, is that the plant may eat too much of itself while it is getting adequate roots. In my system the plants usually start eating themselves toward the end of their stay in the cloner, and if I donâ??t leave enough leaves on the plant, they could eat themselves to death before getting adequate roots. It is common for plants to eat themselves during the last bits of cloning and flowering. Thatâ??s usually whatâ??s going on with the yellowing leaves.

Now if youâ??re interested, hereâ??s how I clone. I made a cheapo aerocloner which absolutely works wonderful. Probably as good as the expensive aeroponic cloners. It is very rare that a plant wont make it, maybe 2 out of 100. I take a cutting 4 or 5 inches tall, leaving as much stem on as possible. I put a few more cuttings than I need in a bucket and make sure they are covered with cold water for about 30 minutes. The cold water makes them perk up real nice. I like to have extra clones going if possible, then use the ones with the biggest root masses, and toss the others or throw them out in the woods if itâ??s spring or summertime.

I make sure everything is ready before starting, because you donâ??t want to leave them out of water or uncovered very long. Once you start you should not stop until youâ??re finished, and you should try to work fast. I keep a bottle of water nearby to mist them occasionally as I am putting them in the cloner. I start the bubbles, then get a cutting and lay it on a board or something flat. I scarify it (scrape off the outer membrane of the bottom inch or so - search â??scarificationâ?�), then cut off the bottom at a 45 degree angle. The theory behind the angle is it will give you slightly more surface area for roots to form on. I dip the scarified part in powdered rooting hormone and put them it in the cloner. Most of the powder eventually gets washed off, but a little stays on. The water has a very small amount of B1 such as SuperThrive in it, and it should stay 2 or 3 inches below the roots.

I keep the bubbles going 24/7 until they start getting roots, then I go to 45 minutes off and 45 on (I think). Plants do much better and grow roots faster and bigger if they must search for moisture from time to time. One small tube fluorescent on all the time. They donâ??t need or want much light at this point. I keep them covered with a humidity dome (just another Tupperware container the same size) all the time, except for at least twice per day when I take off the dome and blow some air into it and into the canopy. The more you can do this the better. I donâ??t ever spritz them since I am usually battling too much humidity, sometimes even needing to pick out mold or rotted leaves toward the end. Wherever the leaves touch anything other than themselves, thatâ??s where the mold usually starts.

Once there is some good roots, I start hardening the clones. I take off the dome and watch them closely until they start to wilt, then I put it back on. Once the get perked up again, I do it some more. Pretty soon they will not need a humidity dome at all, and they can be put into the system. If one wilts a little due to lack of proper hardening, I put a baggie over it.

Sometimes I revert my budded plants back to veg. I just make sure I leave as much foliage on the plant as possible, and cut off about the top half of the plant. If you have like 10 or 15 good leaves on the plant it should revert without a problem. Just change the light schedule and nutrients. Some people say it will revert faster if you have a 24/0 light schedule, but I havenâ??t really seen evidence of this, having tried both ways. The plants look like they hibernate for a couple weeks or so, then you should start seeing new growth.

[Opie Yutts]

PS, If you desire, you can also spray an antifungal or an antiwilt product on rooting clones. I don't use antiwilt, but I use an antifungal. It seems to help with mold, but it adds moisture, which promotes the growth of mold.

[Weedhound]

Oh bless you Opie for all that information. I'm starting to really lean towards revegging the plant and taking clones off that so I need ALL the info I can get. You told me before about scarifyiing so I'm set on that....(scalpels from my hydro guy) and that really helps about the revegging. When you say leave the bottom 1/2 of the plant do I leave all the buds or take everything and just leave some fan leaves? I hope I don't have to leave the buds on its because then I wouldn't be able to use them right?

Are "good leaves" the younger sun leaves? And if you had your plant on say 1200 ppm would you flush it first and then re-introduce grow nutes? And at what strength?
All the stuff I've read about revegging is just too DAMN VAGUE ...."leave some popcorn buds?" well how many? I don't have a clue. Greg greens book told me to cut all the buds away from the branches one by one and THEN when all the buds are off to "triim the plant back as needed" WHAT THE HELL IS AS NEEDED? Do I REALLY have to do that??? Cuts these buds off the one by one?

Sorry but as you can see im losing it here. I'm REALLY starting to understand where all the noobs are coming from.......searching hasn't really helped me one single bit....only made things more confusing.....WAHHHHHHH

Thanks again EVERYONE for your help.

[Opie Yutts]

quote=Weedhound

When you say leave the bottom 1/2 of the plant do I leave all the buds or take everything and just leave some fan leaves? I hope I don't have to leave the buds on its because then I wouldn't be able to use them right?
You donâ??t have to leave any buds, but I highly recommend leaving at least 8 or 10 popcorn buds. I donâ??t know what the experts have to say about this, but I have noticed that the new growth always seems to start immerging from these buds. Sometimes buds are all thatâ??s left. You want to try and leave a bunch of nice big healthy leaves on the plant, but depending on the strain and the conditions this might not be possible. During flowering, especially toward the end, the plants eat their leaves so they can supply as much nutrition as possible to bud and resin production. By half, I mean I usually cut all the buds off the top half of my 3â?? plant, and use the bottom 18â?� for revegging foliage.

Are "good leaves" the younger sun leaves?
No, good leaves in this case are any healthy ones. The more the better within reason. I usually end up with 12 or 15, but unfortunately they often yellow and die before the new growth really gets going good.

And if you had your plant on say 1200 ppm would you flush it first and then re-introduce grow nutes? And at what strength?
The problem with flushing plants that will be revegged, is the whole â??eating itselfâ?� thing, like I mentioned above. Iâ??m afraid flushing would worsen the situation since there are no nutrients for the plant to eat. Flushing makes leaves yellow and die faster, and you need leaves so your plant can reveg properly. Iâ??m guessing that you should probably start by mixing veg and bud nutes, rather than just switching all at once. You should do this when going from veg to bud, so why not the other way around as well? I have never tried this, but it seems like it could help. Maybe I will try this next time, Iâ??ve always just switched. When I switch I lower nute strength to about 1/3 for the first watering. The plant will have less leaves than normal so be careful not to over water or over feed. It will need less of each.

â?¦triim the plant back as needed" WHAT THE HELL IS AS NEEDED? Do I REALLY have to do that??? Cuts these buds off the one by one?
Just harvest the top portion of the plant as normal, and leave the bottom 18â?� or so of foliage to deal with the reveg requirements. Leave some popcorn buds and leaves as mentioned above.

Sorry but as you can see im losing it here.
Please donâ??t. Itâ??s not really that big of a deal. You have knowledge of plants, just use your common sense. You know what plants do when you do different things to them. Use your best judgment with what Iâ??ve given you as a jumping off point, and Iâ??m sure you can get your plant growing again after flowering.

â?¦searching hasn't really helped me one single bit....only made things more confusingâ?¦
Donâ??t tell, but sometimes I resort to searching outside this forum. Have you thought about Botany sites or other weed forums?

Hope that helps a little instead of causing more confusion. Iâ??m no expert but Iâ??ll help more if I can. Probably not much more tonight though.

[Weedhound]

Oh thank god....I can't believe all this super info....!! Seriously....I can picture in my mind exactly how to do this now and can't thank you enough for breaking it down into parts I can understand .

I posted the same question over at IC MAg as well but pretty much got the same answers and really....at least here I know who knows whats going on you know and who's word I can trust.....which makes things a MILLION times easier.

Thanks again.....you've made my day. :thumbsup:

[Treetops]

Dont be afraid to experiment....I like to,and tried this clone way into flower, cant remember how long, but close to harvest...end result was excellent..Give it a try....Thats how we all learn...

Peace,
Treetops

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[Rock.Steady]

wow hound, u got wound up like i do.

relax,,,,,


its a weeeeeed:thumbsup:

im gonna do it just like we talked about.

ill keep ya posted step by step, startin tomorow.

[Weedhound]

Rock.....seriously....I was going to flip. Part of my issue is the time thing....this plant is actually starting to THROW buds at me. They are starting to DROP OFF THE PLANT as in ...hello....we are done.....HELLO?? The bottom part has a bit to go go but the top is already 20% amber and I need to make a decision on what to do but of COURSE I'm capable of being a babbling idiot and am surprised you ever doubted it.

My final decision is to reveg the plant. I just heard too many scary things about "finished" plants not having a good success rate (it was actually kind of Stinky saying...."i've never seen one make it") In my world that means......get the shovel out
and so that just didin't sound hopeful you know?

I have a new 400wMH light coming which I plan to use on the seedlings to see if I can improve their growing....these cfls just don't seem to have what it take imo BUT my wonderful hubby built me a super neato lightstand for the cfls just last night and that is what I will be using to reveg the other plant with. I got rid of the couch and the televison and now have room for the plant. :wtf: Then, once the beast revegges, I'll take clones from that and see if I can make it work.

I must again say thank you to eveyone who offered advice and/or support....but very special props to Opie and MVP who both expended a LOT of energy to assist me.
Special hugs for you two. ......and ok.....I'll share a bowl with you guys. :joint1:

[MVP]

Hey WH, glad to help ya out. I'm also really happy that Opie stopped by and shared thoughts on both cloning and revegging. I'm gonna have to keep an eye out for updates on the revegging. Do you think a new thread on the subject would help the CannComm community in general? Not trying to make more work for you, just a thought.

On a separate note, I am now considering a little experiment with the MKs I have that are about 40 days into flowering. Maybe I'll start a thread on cloning during the mid/late stage of flowering. The MKs were a dream to clone the last 2 times so I reckon they will be a good subject for experiment. What do you think?

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!! I am thankful for my canncom friends :hippy: :rastasmoke: imp:, Cannabis - the plant, and MMJ Laws. Cheers All!